Eliot Page; a positive example of masculinity?

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I shared this news story in a group whatsapp and my year 8 daughter just told me that the same thing happened in her assembly recently.

I mean, this is batshit insanity and totally goes against what the Cass review states.

It’s out and out grooming. Clearly Page is an example of something other than positivity, whenever I see them being interviewed , they seem deeply depressed and miserable.

Are any of the boys in her school going to see Page as a man? Are any of the girls going to see it and wonder if their clothes choices and hairstyle mean they’re also a man? Why are schools still pumping out this unhealthy rhetoric for young teens? It’s insane.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14924669/Primary-school-trans-actor-Elliot-Page-lesson-masculinity.html

"word salad" = 'complexity hurts my brain'

Who says it is innate biological diversity to be transgender? There is nothing whatsoever biologically innate about cross sex hormones and surgery.

Genes & hormones influencing personality traits/inclinations is scientifically uncontroversial. Even a child knows this.

How dare you suggest a child is born in the wrong body/trans (innately so) just because they might be gender non/conforming.

How dare you impose your anti scientific anti expertise personally subjective opinions on other people.

It is perfectly normal for a girl or boy to not fit gender stereotypes but that does not mean they are not their sex, and it does not mean that anything about them whatsoever needs changing.

Gender is not sex & trans acceptance does in no way suggest gender non conforming people are only trans.

It is an absolute crime to tell a toddler boy he is a girl or a toddler girl that she is a boy. Because their parent believes they are innately a different sex.

If you are contriving carer adults 'telling' children who they are that maybe more a function of conservative authoritarian projection aka 'groomer mentality' given their penchant for doing so. The idea trans identification is in any way imposed by adults who are carer's is sheer conspiratorial crankery. There simply is no incentive to do so given the costs.

Given the subject matter is positive masculinity role models the age context is presumably 11& 12 year olds who unless suffer from sever mental retardation are capable of understanding the difference between sex & behavioural characteristics.

Personality traits that underpin identity are both biologically & environmentally influenced.

Elliott Page is in the new Christopher Nolan film playing Sinon, a male solider from The Odyssey. No one thinks this person is a man.

This is dumb. Denzel Washington played Macbeth & no one thought he really was a white Scottish king but of course the usual far right provocateur wowsers lost what was left of their collective minds ….just like they are here.

Reimagining ideas with diversity is simply about bringing new dimensions of understanding.

The context was positive masculinity role models not positive genital role models. Elliot Page is more than believable of being a role model of strength with sensitivity.

Enough with the genital obsession.

Complex nonsense is still nonsense.

Glad to be of assistance.

E. Page is still a woman.

That’s going to end up looking very odd as they desperately try and frame every shot to avoid putting her next to a man and highlighting how unfeasibly tiny she would be for a soldier.

It's so weird how Genderists know that sex and gender are different, and yet pretend they are the same thing whenever women (in the original female sense obviously) want to organise around the needs and experineces of being the sex we are rather than the "gender" others assume us to be.

In fact, it's very weird how often Genderists assume gender identity based on someone's sex in general. You'd think they would be the last people to do that yet somehow it's always cis-this and cis-that as if think they can tell just by looking.

Wild how sexist this supposedly progressive lot are.

Everything I don't like is far-right.

Strange that people moan when trans roles are taken by actors who aren't trans are the same people that celebrate when a trans actor takes on a non-trans role.

'Oh yeah, it was reeeeeally the left screeching about Denzel…'

Strange that people who moan about sex stereotypes but only think men can model masculinity.

I understand that unlike sex, politics is a spectrum.

What do you mean “behavioural characteristics”. What are the behavioural characteristics of men and women respectively?

So you're admitting that Ellen Page isn't a man?

You tell me. Your’e the one demanding men stay out of 'women's private spaces' cause violence.

It's typical behavioural characteristics btw.

Sinon was the one the Greeks left behind to sell the Trojans the lie about the horse.

Oh I see. You don’t really know what you mean.

I don’t think you understand what the teacher in question (in the OP) said they were doing.

He's a trans man.

So can only men model masculinity or can’t they? Because you’re sending some very mixed messages.

I'm guessing that didn't end well for him?

Certainly didn't for the Trojans.

Of course not. But there is variation in masculine expression between men & women because of how differing hormones, brain structures & social expectations influence masculinity.

On the other hand, again, I'm not the one banging on about sex stereotypes. That be you.