Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 7

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5551375-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-6

TT substack: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

Please note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

It’s actually rein, you were closer first time 😁

Well I never - mansplained about the reality of
menopause - not something I ever imagined I’d hear about 🤣🤣🤣

And we are back Transgender Trend - how is she being allowed to keep revisiting the same topics like this. Is she deliberately filibustering?

It feels a bit rude to have a snooze while HH is on repeat this afternoon. But she's not going to say anything new is she? And fast forward to NC on at 9.30.

You just need a waterproof case for your phone and you'll be fine.

At least Jane Russel was entertaining, this is just drivel on repeat.

I once used 'licentious' in a conversation with a bank manager when trying to convey that neither my husband's or my lifestyles were excessive in terms of expenditure. Horrible feeling as I was using it that it probably didn't mean what I thought it did.

From TT:

issue is cont'd refs to Transgender Trend. Post about them again in July 2023, page 147, a post about specific children's books, and refers to brill website Transgender Trend. We've already discussed some content on that website, the specific commentary about no scientific

diagnosis for trans, go to C's supplemental bundle, page 50, extract from FAQs, no evidence that children are trans, new phenomenon, onto 57 & 58, there's an article critical of breast binding
CA yes
HH opens a window of opp for sexual grooming of teenage girls, go to page 73,

it seems to equate.....bear with me......start at 68,
J can I ask the purpose of what all of this, we looked at it earlier and because the witness did not look at it
HH perhaps I'll just put the q, the guidance around children describes it as a delusion
J why can't we get this

<I'm back in the lounge, it's the only time of year I actually appreciate how dank and dark it is, nice and cool>

@Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights

Is it a pool or a sex pond?

Be honest now.

Imagine if the SEEN members complained to management every time Stonewall was mentioned on Yammer.

Erm….

I do feel so sorry for CA. 3 hours more for the poor woman.

From TT:

right
HH that's why I was trying to take her to the page
J can I just ask - did you see this post,
CA I don't remember seeing it at the time
J do you remember looking at trans trend do see what was being said
CA no, I never looked at it, did you know what it said

J did you know what it said

<TT have skipped over some bits here, but judge is giving HH the same treatment as NC>

NC while we are stopped, can I just say, that the idea of trans children is a highly contentious term, with connotation like trans children
J where does the phrase come from
HH C has always known that she was trans, that's the offensive element

of it.
J this is exactly the discussion i was hoping to avoid because it consumes time. The issue here is about the posting, I accept it is agreed that it is a gender critical supportive website. The C gave evidence about the type of material, you can ask about the post and the

😂
I've heard of a car pool but not a sex pond.
Sheltered life, clearly...😁

Ah, we're back to "My Body is Me" being transphobic <sigh>

@MarieDeGournay It's the alt name for a hot tub.

I'm boredom eating my way through a pack of 12 slices of Emmental cheese.

Thank you. Every day a school day here, eh?😄

Just off for a dunk in the pond, (no sexyness)

i am good at speed reading drivel from HH etc

From TT:

[J contd]moderation. So why do you need to take this witness to the website? And be mindful of language, let's try and be even handed about this.
HH now My Body is Me, says lovely book by Rachel Rooney, available from wonderful website Trans Trend, does that sound like an endorsement

of the website
CA yes it does
HH now, can you read para 65e of C's WS.
AL that two entire pages, it's a long para
HH if you take it down,
J are you going to put something to this witness about this, can I just check one point, where was this post posted?

CA - i believe it was on the SEEN Y group, July 2023, new system but open group
HH reading out quotes from C WS, MBIM not a celebration and Trans Trend is website that says transition is a social phenomenon, you can't challenge that can you
CA not without going to back to the

J... And be mindful of language, lets try and be even handed about this

D'you think he's been reading our posts during the lunch break?😮

From TT:

pages in the bundle
HH you say you weren't aware of books promoted
CA no, I know now because of bundle
HH you say not up to you to decide what people should read
CA in a workplace, people are adults they can decide what to read,
HH but it is your job as inclusive HR to make

judgements about content
CA It is not our role to read every book, look at every film, etc
HH but this website says transing children is grooming
CA I think the website discusses the medical profession's approach to transition of youth, EDW post says it may be helpful to GC

parents. We weren't in the business of policing speech we just wanted people to behave professionally and appropriately in the workplace
HH but the harm is done by sharing the material
CA no, we all have to accept that there are people who disagree with us, and websites that

^CA no, we all have to accept that there are people who disagree with us^

👏👏👏 can we just wrap up the tribunal now?

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