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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why do some feminists oppose misogyny but support gender ideology?

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Doodwhatareyou · 05/07/2026 18:12

I recently ended up in the man hating side of tiktok, which is a place I tend to be in agreement with. I’ve seen several women bravely battle stupid men in the comments who manage to reinforce everything being said.

I’ve seen a pattern though that these women, who seem to be very up on rules of misogyny, and aware of how problematic too many men are, usually have pronouns in their bio, and occasionally will complain about being bullied by terfs.

I’m baffled.

How can they be so up on patriarchal nonsense yet miss the fundamental misogyny in gender ideology. How can they deny the evidence that trans identified men are just as much of a problem for women if not more as they want women’s rights and spaces.

They can make endless videos about how hateful men are because of the way women are treated, and how women have to budge up and make room, yet trans identified men are women, and anyone who says otherwise is a massive bigot. I don’t understand.

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rocer · Today 09:14

Baileyonice · Yesterday 23:21

Even your AI agrees that's a circular definition as I said.

So AI = good when it agrees with you?

In any case, it depends on the framework according to the link. Here's a more detailed explanation that fleshes it out. Let me know what you think.

lastreviotheory.medium.com/why-a-woman-is-someone-who-identifies-as-a-woman-is-not-a-meaningless-statement-467d18f0400a

AI = good when it agrees with you?
Is a stopped clock a good timekeeper twice a day? - No. (Why not? Left as (simple!) exercise.)

Let me know what you think.
I think you're a bit silly ... and you find it difficult to follow an argument. Possibly the two are linked?

Baileyonice · Today 09:16

JanesLittleGirl · Today 09:02

I think that you are right. It is as if he can only hold one trite notion in his head at a time.

Peanut gallery alert. 🥜

Baileyonice · Today 09:17

rocer · Today 09:14

AI = good when it agrees with you?
Is a stopped clock a good timekeeper twice a day? - No. (Why not? Left as (simple!) exercise.)

Let me know what you think.
I think you're a bit silly ... and you find it difficult to follow an argument. Possibly the two are linked?

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Shortshriftandlethal · Today 09:22

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 08:24

That's your opinion. Other people feel differently because they believe trans women are women so "men" don't come into their thinking at all.

This is the hurdle you have to get over. TI feminists do not see trans women as men.

I suggest that is the hurdle you have to get over; and it is a pretty big one, because perceptions matter, and most people, and all societies, recognise the differences between males and females.......

.......because they are an actual thing; a measurable, definable thing; a thing that has existed for all of time on Planet Earth, and which, as a result is hard-wired in - not only in terms of biological fiunction and reproduction, but also in human perception and instinct. Even some creatures can tell the difference between human males and human females, as well as between males and females of their own species, naturally.

You have signed up to a niche and transient philosphy of 'Self' - which will lose its appeal with time. Men are not women because they are males and because 'a woman' is the term commonly used, in english, for an adult human female.

And we all, including you, know this. It must be hard work to keep afloat an idea that you know is not really true.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 09:30

Poor old Bailey. Still scolding and sneering at women after all this time. Just because we understand biology, facts and what a woman is.

Rather sad to see someone spending so much time endlessly posting their fantasies and instructions in a place where women gather to speak. Thanks to all of you who bother to engage and point out all the flaws in his arguments. Flowers

Shortshriftandlethal · Today 10:06

Baileyonice · Yesterday 10:05

Well said.

For those of us that have experienced gender inequality (for me it was my own family preventing my education because of my sex) many of us relate to feminism in terms of renouncing biological essentialism. Psychological interchangeability being the justification for gender equality makes it the centrepiece of feminism.

For me, I see trans people as a great example of gender interchangeability between the sexes..& its why they are the natural enemy of the patriarchy.

That's not to say natal sex isn't important in facilitating fairness rather its not the big enchilada when it comes to gender equality.

Rather I suggest that when we have more equality of opportunity between the sexes then what you are calling 'gender interchangeability' is the result...because what you are calling 'gender' is really just personality preferences and characteristics of which there is a natural cross-over between the sexes.

When women ( it generally tends to be women) have equal rights in law, it tends to follow that their choices in life are not totally socially prescribed on the basis of their reprodcutive function. For example, women can now have a mortgage in their own right; they can continue to work after marriage; they can go to university; they can follow almost any interest or hobby of their choice; and can pursue almost any occupation; can wear clothing styles of their choosing; can have short hair if they choose; can have long hair if they choose; can even shave their head if they choose.

There are now ( in our culture) female astronauts; presidents of nations; car mechanics; soldiers; mountaineers; footballers; women who choose to stay at home when their children are young; women who have four young children but are the CEO of a large football club; women who are same sex attracted and are married to another woman; women who are millionnaires in their own right and can choose to do anything they please; women who love to bake in their spare time; women who are handy with a sewing machine; women who like to dress up as superheroes and heroines; women who like gaming; women who love clothes and make-up and wearing pretty ball gowns.....

What you are calling 'Gender' is nothing but personal inclination and preference of which there is a large cross-over between the sexes.

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