Why do some feminists oppose misogyny but support gender ideology?

[Doodwhatareyou]

I recently ended up in the man hating side of tiktok, which is a place I tend to be in agreement with. I’ve seen several women bravely battle stupid men in the comments who manage to reinforce everything being said.

I’ve seen a pattern though that these women, who seem to be very up on rules of misogyny, and aware of how problematic too many men are, usually have pronouns in their bio, and occasionally will complain about being bullied by terfs.

I’m baffled.

How can they be so up on patriarchal nonsense yet miss the fundamental misogyny in gender ideology. How can they deny the evidence that trans identified men are just as much of a problem for women if not more as they want women’s rights and spaces.

They can make endless videos about how hateful men are because of the way women are treated, and how women have to budge up and make room, yet trans identified men are women, and anyone who says otherwise is a massive bigot. I don’t understand.

...or who you're speaking to on here

Baily is comfortable in generalising that all MN posters are rich white women. Don't burst that bubble!

Avoiding the question? Of course you are. Hypocrite.

What question? Are you angry because women are saying no? Ik it gets this reaction but really it’s not our problem.

Men can be inclusive of course, why not?

Um, X & MN FWR aren't any different…

Single sex spaces at work & school. Stop playing dumb.

That old chestnut.

No it's fine thanks. The vast majority of spaces are not single sex and I'm happy with that.

I'm also happy for people to argue for changing rooms and toilets and even prisons to be mixed sex. We can all consider the evidence and make our arguments on that basis.

Just as long as nobody incoherently suggests that a space that includes everyone can be single sex.

I’d ask if you’re male or female but I’ll just assume from the increasing aggression in replies.

You mean the single sex lavatories (as opposed to mixed sex as trans advocates demand) that GC women have been advocating and campaigning for over the past several years?

Well, I appreciate you owning the hypocrisy. That's a rare admission in these parts.

No, I mean single sex workplaces & schools if we are going to be consistent about sexual violence.

The individual has claimed somewhere on this thread that s/he was left uneducated because of being female, I think, but I cba to wade through all the verbiage to find out whether it was this bore or the other bore that made the claim.

Women are not going to say yes to heightened risk or unfairness in sports. But it sounds like you’ve accepted TWANW which is good.

Why is it important than women say yes? Why do you need them

It was this bore

Edited to add: in yet another contradictory post

Thanks.

Women know your place!

You don't deserve fair sport until we have found a cure for world poverty!

Your posts reveal that you know exactly who is male and female.

What hypocrisy?

Most spaces are mixed sex. I'm not sure where you are posting from, but in the UK a service can only be single sex if it meets specific requirements. This is in line with the general prohibition against sex discrimination.

Again, if you want to argue that more spaces should be mixed sex and present your evidence, that is fine.

You could argue that every space should be mixed sex tomorrow, and women would still need sex based rights and sex would still need to be recognised in law and policy.

So you want women to advocate for single sex workplaces, where people work mostly together in full view of each otherr but let the spaces where women go to use the toilet or get changed, and want to be away from males, to be mixed sex?

So where there is a chance of witnesses or assistance, keep men out but where they are isolated, let men in?

Howse that? Consent is the difference.

Here is an entire thread all about it. And I am quite sure that many of the posters on this current thread even participated.

I think that the constant whataboutery and doubling down just shows who does and doesn’t understand consent.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5398721-womens-private-spaces?page=1

You don’t think anatomy has anything to do with sex?
Do you think sex is a real thing?
Do you know how babies are made?

Different people believe different things. And the thing about identity is that it is unique to individuals. For example, English might be a core part of one person's identity, but their twin feels that it speaks little about who they are. They are both factually English, but one feels that Englishness is core to their identity and the other does not. So someone can feel their biological or natal sex is core to their identity, and others may not and feel their gender identity is more important.

However the law deals in facts and Scottish tax rates are paid by people who live in Scotland, not by people who wear kilts.

Idiot. The majority of women in prison are not there for violent crimes.

You really are ignorant aren’t you, despite the first-class AI-confected stream of post-modernist drivel you come out with.

Thank you for this, because I knew his nonsensical, sexist gibberish sounded familiar. Different toilet, same shit, as they say.

Comprehension is often absent from replies.

To @Baileyonice, I’d say that, first, @Seethlaw is correct, if you keep reproducing or describing what others say, including summaries generated by A.I. or non peer reviewed open access reports, you will never develop your critical and analytical thinking skills. Sadly, this is happening en masse in student writing. GenAI slop is what I’m increasingly seeing.

Psychological interchangeability being the justification for gender equality makes it the centrepiece of feminism.

Second, you sound very young. And, I’m guessing American. Your communication style is very similar to what I’d expect of a young, entitled and angry man who identifies as a woman being told no, hence that’s who I thought you were. Clearly you believe passionately in trans (women) right to access female single sex spaces. I’m sort of impressed with your determination to keep going in light of the many logical arguments highlighting the gaps in your understanding.

Your inability to counter these adequately, however, is leading you to make insulting and rude comments that most posters are politely ignoring but which are unpleasant. You could try to say what you want to say without /the rudeness. Just try.

Edited to add: ahh, this poster might/sounds like Howse.

@DrBlackbird IIRC Howse Bailey is a middle aged Australian woman! Although anyone could be anyone on the internet, of course.

You'd think anyone who'd been prevented from getting an education because of their sex (I'm assuming that means being female, happy to be corrected) would be only too aware of the disadvantage of women being denied access to their rightful opportunities and places based on their sex. Of letting men's wants and needs be assumed to be more important.

But no.

You'd think anyone who'd been prevented from getting an education because of their sex

Surely, as sex is unimportant, one would just claim a new identity.