The first step towards an international instrument to abolish surrogacy.

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"A group of states at the United Nations has launched a political declaration calling for an international moratorium on surrogacy, marking a significant first step in what its supporters hope will become a global abolitionist framework."

UN States Launch Political Declaration for Global Surrogacy Moratorium ━ The European Conservative

"That is a long road. But for those who oppose the buying and selling of babies and the exploitation of women, the fact that states have now placed the issue formally on the UN track is already the point: the market is global, and the response is beginning to become global, too."

I not sure I have any faith in the UN anymore, but hopefully this will gain some traction, I can see it clashing with the Global Left's Utopian ideals though.

Well, several posters have explained the issues to you in a few different ways and yet you remain determined not to understand. You seem oddly invested, in fact, in not understanding the issues. Explaining further would be a waste of time I think. You are not listening.

There might not always be a genetic link, but growing a baby in your body for 9 months is absolutely biological. The baby is kept alive via your blood supply; mother and baby 'swap cells'; bonding in utero is a physical reality. This extraordinary process, the painful and exhausting process of giving birth, and then having the child taken from you, are surely going to have a psychological impact. The notion that the surrogate mother just provides a temporary shelter for someone else's DNA feels so dismissive of the reality.

If I decided to be a surrogate, I'd have agreed to take on those risks and I would view it as a temporary shelter type thing.

I don't think anyone would ask me at this age but I'd have done it for a close friend or family if it was a convenient time for my family.

People are allowed to disagree with your opinions and hold views of their own.

What's that saying?
You can have your own opinions. You cannot make up your own facts.

I'm not sure it would be that simple - not easy to separate body and mind.

Really? All children need are competent adults? Great, let’s get on and let the adoption services know, that’ll solve a lot of problems. Next stop world peace!

We don’t know that they know no different. They have spent 9 months with a certain person, then lose that person and go to another. We just do not know the effects.

I’m very uncomfortable with surrogacy but truly altruistic surrogacy is different to commercial surrogacy eg sister for sister

Did you quote what I said in its entirety?

It's alarming how many posters there are that have no problem with seeing women as walking incubators and new human beings as comfort blanket for adults.

No need to be condescending. I understand the issues. I was simply giving an opinion based on a first hand experience. Am I not allowed to have a differing opinion? I wasn’t aware I had to agree with everyone.

But you don't have first hand experience.

You are not a surrogate, a parent of a surrogate child or a surrogate child yourself unless your post was actually about yourself and not a "friend"
What you related was a second hand account of someone else's experience.

just because I’m none of those things doesn’t mean I can’t comment about it or that I don’t know what im talking about. I know the woman personally and have seen her go through all 3 pregnancies. Spoken to her daily about it. She’s not just a passing acquaintance. Seen the beautiful family photos of very happy parents. Surrogacy in her case was very personal and involved. In one case she is godmother to the baby! It’s not all about exploitation and horror stories. Some women do it for truly altruistic reasons. I’m allowed to have an opinion on something I was very close to. I’m not saying that it’s the same for everyone or that I don’t understand that there’s a dark side to it. In this case there isn’t.

All this meddling in human conception has brought this about. Frozen embryos. Frozen eggs frozen sperm. Women using sperm from deceased partners. It's a slippery slope.

So if a woman has to use a donor egg and donor sperm for a non-surrogate pregnancy, she’s not the mother?

Different things in different moments at different times. At the moment of birth, the commissioning parent is a stranger.

This. What I don't get is that when it comes to child protection taking a newborn from their mother is the last resort because we understand the bond between a newborn and their mum. When it comes to surrogacy it's like we pretend that we don't know this.

I haven’t heard this proposal and I think it makes a lot of sense.
the surrogate is committed , their body is committed and their health exposed, and the purchasing parents are only involved- unlike the organ donor case they aren’t at risk if it falls through, their health isn’t impacted, all they are giving up is something they’ve never had- the baby. Which is a human being at its most needy and vulnerable and someone has to look after it. The weight is left on the surrogate and the baby. Ukraine saw many examples of this.

Agree. A child is not a "right" to have. If you can't have a child- adopt.

Do you have first hand experience? Do you know anyone personally who is a surrogate or has had a child through surrogacy?

Therr are many risks to being a donor. Who told you it is risk free? People have died donating organs.

Eta: i misunderstood the post. No worries.

If a pregnant woman was planning to put her child up for adoption, would you say all these things to her? How cruel she is etc?

I don't work around this sort of social work so I don't know how those that counsel women in this situation do so. I'd think it privately because I think that deliberately bringing a child into the world to put them in that situation is cruel.

God thank god you dont then. There are several reasons why a woman may decide not to have an abortion and to adopt. It isn't something that happens often here, but in more religious countries or those without good healthcare, it happens more often.

The last thing those women need is some privileged woman from the UK or US telling her what a evil person she is.

Women are sometimes our own worst enemies.