Draft Conversion Practices Bill - published

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-conversion-practices-bill

Nah, I'd rather she was eaten. 😂😂😂😂

Reception at 10 Downing Street reports TAs lobbying hard for the bill. They have immense influence fighting backing back will be tough

NB I think Esses misunderstands Starmer's polite noncommittal comment and other points of Labour politics here. Esses doesn't point out that TAs are massive liars and will tend to exaggerate their position and influence - it ids real but there are limits. Starmer doesn't care about trans stuff or women's rights much. He will take path of least resistance. The Trans lobby does have power in Labour, but it is NOT in control. It can be resisted. The big issue is that women and gay voices are marginalised in Labour and have to make a big noise before being heard. The situation is way better now than it was 6 years ago because of the fightback and more ground can be gained. The Tories have sidelined trans stuff in their party it was huge only a few years ago. It can be done.

https://nitter.net/JamesEsses/status/2071997476815405542

Julie Bindel
The 'conversion therapy' bill is an abomination
https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-conversion-therapy-bill-is-an?

The ‘conversion therapy’ ban is a Trojan horse for trans extremism
Parents, therapists and any concerned adult could be jailed for challenging a child’s gender identity.
Stella O’Malley is the director and founder of Genspect.

This bill creates an extraordinary moral inconsistency reminiscent of the Soviet Union, where it didn’t matter whether you were correct, only whether you were politically correct. Last week in the House of Lords, Hilary Cass described parents who socially transitioned their two-year-old son, affirming him as a girl and setting him on a pathway that has left him, aged 11, with ‘weak bones’ as a result of being largely confined to his bedroom. According to the logic of this bill, those parents should be applauded. Yet parents who question a child’s transgender identity, encourage psychological exploration, or simply ask their son or daughter to wait before embarking on irreversible medical treatment may find themselves jailed for being politically incorrect.

The evidence for this extraordinary expansion of state power is remarkably weak. Ministers repeatedly cite a report from Galop, an anti-abuse charity, as justification for banning what it calls conversion practices. Yet after reviewing around 13,500 client records over three years, researchers found just 371 potential cases, only 195 of which contained enough information to analyse. The report’s most serious examples involve assault, rape, forced marriage, deprivation of liberty and coercive control – all already criminal offences that should be prosecuted vigorously. On such flimsy evidence, the government proposes to redraw the boundaries between the state and the family.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/06/30/the-conversion-therapy-ban-is-a-trojan-horse-for-trans-extremism/

First comment under the JB piece makes a not surprising but important point: why are the oversight organisations, trade bodies, whatever term you want to use, why are they always captured?

House of Lords have had their first debate on the Conversion Therapy Bill.

Sounds like it is going to see a lot of scrutiny there is a lot of focus on the threat to parents. Baroness Cash points out the shoddy research the law is based on. Even the Lib Dem spokesman is concerned about the ill defined nature of the bill.

The Ministers don't have much of a rational response.

Read in Hansard
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2026-07-01/debates/C5C2A2F3-FB5B-4580-A214-4765AE3B4359/DraftConversionPracticesBill?__cf_chl_f_tk=gXN3TageO3io1BvM9sZWpAk7zvX2_s2ZqIVUxHX1j3I-1782976310-1.0.1.1-4f2MCVpj81Tj3iXZ7cU2Xhb7oYumsHYpi2G5Qmz2T8E

Watch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002ylyw/house-of-lords-conversion-practices-bill-statement?seriesId=unsliced&page=1

Well the MPs won't.

Just one example we're all familiar with - many don't actually know the difference between the law and guidance, and look confused when you point out that they're attacking women and gay rights while claiming to be lovely, and are madly fixed on forcing women to undress in front of any dodgy man who wander in with his right to be there and force himself on her way above any human right of hers, but deny this because it's about WORDS. Usually words stripped of any rationality, 'respect' is one thrown around a lot.

These are people you wouldn't send out to run a stall at the village fete.

Too many are activist MPs with big feelings, big opinions, very little knowledge about what they're busy shouting about, and are emotion/gesture driven. Seeing the pitfalls and consequences of a stupid, badly drafted activist driven bill is unlikely. Thank God for the HoL so there's at least some check on them.

Thanks for the link, eyeball melting drivel 🤢

"Across the globe, countries are acting to ban conversion practices. We have learned from the 28 countries that have some sort of ban in place."

This isn't about what this country needs, it's about them cementing their place in the Global Left. I bet the 28 countries are all in Europe, plus Aus, NZ and Tranada.

That was a great response from Baroness Cash. And just a lot of waffle and “it’ll be sorted out” in response.

It will be interesting to see what Burnham does with the HoLs. Some wrongun’s and some daftees but some surprisingly good Lords. I’m not sure I’d have any faith in a second elected house. Not working out great for the US.

I expect he’ll do nuffink. There's always something more important and pressing than Lords reform.

Toby Young isn't happy with the debate.

Yesterday in the House of Lords, the General Secretary of the Free Speech Union, Lord Young, had hoped to ask the Minister, Lord Collins of Highbury, a question about the Government’s draft Bill to ban conversion therapy practices. Sadly, with only 20 minutes allocated for the debate, he was unable to do so.

The Free Speech Union is concerned that this broad and poorly drafted Bill will criminalise well-intentioned conversations between parents and their gender-confused children. Under the Bill, parents could face up to five years behind bars. Religious leaders could also face prosecution for sharing their faith’s teachings on sex, gender and marriage.

In his intended speech, Lord Young was set to say: “We should call it the Dangerous Speech Bill because what it seeks to ban is any dissent from radical progressive orthodoxy on the subjects of sex and gender”.

Another concern Lord Young wished to raise was: “There’s no free speech defence, nor a faith-based defence, which previous governments have thought necessary to include when creating new speech offences, if only to avoid falling foul of the Human Rights Act”.

Read what Lord Young had intended to say below 👇

https://x.com/i/status/2072710526627434842

...only 20 minutes allocated for the debate, he was unable to do so.

Is that all the time this bill is going to get to be debated in the HoL's, or is this just the first of many 20mins, because if the government think this load of shit can just be whizzed through without proper scrutiny, it's given up all attempts at cosplaying at being a democracy.

Lord Collins of Highbury, UN Special Envoy for LBGTQIA2S+. WTAF when did we get one of those, since when does this country need one of those, whatever the fuck one of those is.

This has nothing to do with what this country needs, this is all about the Global Left.

Our government can't even run this country and it wants to be part of the international crowd that's trying to take over the world. 🤮

(posting this on a few different threads for traffic)

Burnham creates Reddit account to hold 'ask me anything' session

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360

PM-in-waiting Andy Burnham will hold an "ask me anything" session on Reddit tomorrow as he seeks to share more about his vision with voters.

The Makerfield MP created his account two days ago, and posted a video on the very active "politics" subreddit asking for users to submit questions before the session at 5pm tomorrow. [Friday, 3 July 2026]

Might still be time to ask him about the Conversion Bill?

Sex Matters examining the data

The £360,000 helpline that didn’t ring
Why is the government claiming to have evidence that 90,000 people a year suffer conversion therapy when almost no cases were ever reported to its national helpline?...

Researchers examined records from around 13,500 Galop clients over three years. From those they identified:

• 371 potential cases of conversion practice
• 195 cases with sufficient detail for analysis
• just 132 recent cases
• only 29 cases that came through any of Galop’s helplines.

Only 51 clients approached Galop seeking help specifically because of alleged conversion practices. Most were already receiving support for issues such as domestic abuse, “honour”-based abuse, forced marriage, sexual violence, homelessness or asylum issues. That hardly suggests an epidemic requiring the creation of new criminal offences.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/the-360000-helpline-that-didnt-ring/

The bill is going to a joint committee for examination and possible ammendment before many other debates and votes in both houses.

See earlier in thread for details on creation of and who might be on committee - there has to be a mix from opposition parties and both Houses.

Fortunately, it seems like there's quite a path for this to travel before it becomes law. It's a battle I can't see any government wanting to fight. I hope I’m right.

I hope so too. I wonder what the government's ultimate aim with this bill is? Who are they trying to appease? Many TRAs are unhappy with it. I saw Nadia Whittome, no 1 trans ally in parliament, getting grief over it the other day.

When the bill faces scrutiny in the Lords and hopefully some amendments follow, TRAs are going to be even less happy and will despise Labour even more.

Another great point:

The Conversion Practices draft bill is anti-Cass - Transgender Trend
https://www.transgendertrend.com/conversion-practices-draft-bill-anti-cass/

This is largely why every time it's been brought out, it's ended up being kicked out into the long grass. The TAs want it, and there's probably been funding to political parties based on promises about it - which is why it keeps on coming back like a bad smell - but it's unethical and a written recipe for disaster on multiple fronts, even watered down. So the activists will hate it because it's watered down from the extremist crazy they want, and everyone sane will hate it because obvious major major issues, and there is no answer.

With 7 billion to find in cuts, policy and practice that has pointless and insane cases constantly going through court like the current DEFRA one, should be the first in the bin. This ridiculous bill would set off an avalanche of them.

Stock in unherd this morning:

But not much has been said about one unexpected implication of the bill: that conversion practices involving straight people are just as harmful as those involving gay or trans ones. The intention to cause a heterosexual or “cis” person to become homosexual or trans is to be treated in just as draconian a manner as the inverse case. In theory at least, progressive parents who preach the gospel of gender affirmation a little too enthusiastically risk criminal investigation later, when their children have second thoughts — a possibility which, you have to admit, is darkly funny. The idea that there might also be criminal liability for the hundreds of lanyard-wearing youth workers out there, still working very hard to cement the idea of medical and social transition into deeply unworldly heads, is even more delicious.

https://unherd.com/2026/07/the-conversion-paradox/

The timing is key. Why did Phillipson wait to drop the EHCR guidance for months?

Some speculated this was to prevent it happening at all. Nope it was part of a wider project.

Phillipson and Blake planned this. The EHCR guidance is going through, BUT in an attempt to make Labour look like they care about "trans stuff" they are also pushing the awful conversion therapy bill and the puberty blockers trial at EXACTLY the same time. It is no coincidence it is all happening at once. This was planned.

Labour are trying to create a mythical third way between caring about women, saying biology is real and supporting trans crazy ideas. In doing so they are angering everyone and maybe attempting a project which can't work.

Phillipson and Blake and others can't get their head round the idea that men in dresses are not some kind of super oppressed minority on some level. They also look at some confused kids and think medical experiments should happen to them. They don't want to be the "nasty" people that TAs and the Greens and Lib Dems criticise, because that would make them Tories, but also they realise the whole saying biology is not a thing is kind of sexist.

So we get this crazy combination. Saying women get their own spaces but also trans stuff is very very real and you potentially should be arrested for saying it is daft and cruel.

Only the thing is the Bill is very very stupid. In open debate it will get wrecked. The longer it is out the more weaknesses we find and the more amendments will happen.

However stopping it altogether will be tough, because this is a "nice thing" that some Labour people really want to do.

There is no limit to how much i despise Labour, pushing this in the teeth of the Supreme Court ruling.

They haven't got a clue, have they? I wonder if Phillipson and the rest of them have ever sat down and thought about the sort of world they are bringing about (or trying to). Don't they realise that you you can't keep handing out titbits to the GI monster, it just grows bigger and stronger?

A previous post on ebswa on the difficulty of protecting children of transitioners if the proposals are passed (based on previous plans):
https://www.ebswa.org/post/conversion-therapy-proposals-the-children-of-transitioners-speak

and another link to an assessment of how CPS will target abused women eg transwidows https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/the-crown-prosecution-services-approach-to-transgenderism/

Thank you. There are so many points they make which the general public and people like Phillipson have no idea about.

The poor oppressed minority are certainly not these men.