Is this racism?

[cooooola]

Basically I was at the pub in the pub and nobody was behind the bar.

I was first in line.

An elderly couple come and and then another man who slams his glass down.

When the bar lady asks "who is first"? I replied me.

The elderly couple say "we have been waiting ages".

And the man next says "I didn't see her".

I felt this was due to me being mixed race.
I felt quite intimidated.

I only popped in for a drink whilst OH has the kids.

I feel any shaken up as the only ethnic person in the place.
AIBU

None of us were there. She also asked for opinions and we have been told white people cannot possibly comment on racism. The thread that keeps on giving.

There were corkers alright.

Did you read the corker of the thread, i.e. "white people are becoming a minority"

Amusing watching them all lose their shit with rage though when they are called out on it.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

Since the worst terrorist attack the world has seen where 19 Islamic terrorists murdered 2977 people, 94% of all terrorist murders in the UK have been by Islamists.

That is why the majority of headlines relating to terror attacks mention Islamists. Paul Doyle injuring people when driving his car into a crowd did not fit the criteria for a terrorist attack and nor did Timir Ahmed Mohamed who has recently been charged with attempted murder x5 after driving his car at a bus stop queue and then running off in Ealing. The girl prosecuted for attempted murder was also found by the judge not to be a terrorist.

There is a specific definition for a terrorist motivated attack and they didn’t fit. Just like the other attempted beheadings, some on military personnel and the rampage through train carriage by a man stabbing people.

There is now a police investigation into the reasons why police had refused to investigate the violent attack he committed prior to his train rampage where he slashed a man’s face outside a social club. 5 witnesses and cctv were ignored and the officers lied about it. It is possible that like Valdo Calocane, the authorities were worried about apprehending him because he was black.

As for ‘watered down response when white people do it’ you may have missed the horrified speeches and even attempt to prejudice a fair trial by the Prime Minister when the man in Scotland attacked 5 people some of whom were Muslim?

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?

The key difference here is that white grooming gangs are not being enabled and shielded by those in power for the sake of ‘community cohesion’. Police do not deliver rape victims back to the white grooming gangs or refuse witness protection when women like Fiona Goddard are being threatened and intimidated and hunted down because she is a victim of a Pakistani grooming gangs. There is a thread about her on the feminist board with more detail of the horrific way she is being treated. Not a peep from the government.

With respect, PPs on here making bold declarations like ‘the UK is racist country’ (quite a racist claim in itself ironically) and confirming that you definitely experienced racism in the pub with zero evidence of racism are not doing you any favours.

Amusing watching them all lose their shit with rage though when they are called out on it.

Au contraire, pp are arguing cogently and calmly. I see no rage or losing of shit. More incorrect interpretation from you. Projection?

Did you read the corker of the thread, i.e. "white people are becoming a minority"

Are you back to denying this fact? I thought we were up to “It’s happening but so what?” (Still expecting “It’s happening and it’s a good thing” but luckily no-one on this thread has moved on to this stage yet).

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn
So basically what your saying is it's one rule for white people and another for people of an ethnic background?

Zara Aleena was murdered by a white man (her killer was also charged with attempted rape).

Your thoughts on that?

In the last few years that has been quite a few cases of Asian women being raped by white man specifically because of their race.

I’m in London so I might have a different experience, but surely most parts of the UK are relatively diverse and so it would be very odd for a barman not to serve someone who was black due to racism? This isn’t the USA circa 1950!!

I don’t have a “bar presence” and am always served ages after other people, but I assume that’s because they are known regulars/taller than me etc.

The OP is creating division by seeing racism in every annoying situation. People can be selfish/rude/unsympathetic and she like all of us will experience this on a regular basis. I really despair for the future if this is the default position.

I wouldn't be waiting around on their "thoughts".

If that couple had called you an obvious racist name, you would still get responses on here defending it, by those whose EQs remains stunted.

To the posters who have not bothered to read the thread properly.

The issue isn't with the bartender!

Its with the couple who arrived after me and a guy who slammed down his drink aggressively next to me.

The older couple claimed to of been waiting before me despite seeing me and talking to me.

The other guy lied and backed them up.

I felt quite intimidated .

Yes you're probably right there! X

Where in the UK was this?

So basically what your saying is it's one rule for white people and another for people of an ethnic background?

I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same thing but that is what was written into the policing code of practice, yes. The police must treat people differently according to the colour of their skin. This means that they determine their action by the colour of the perpetrators skin rather than the crime. So if too many people of colour are committing crimes they have to turn a blind eye. This is horrendously divisive and empowers criminals who can exploit the colour of their skin.

Police ‘anti racism’ commitment:
Co-developed by the College of Policing and the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), this framework specifies that achieving racial equity does not mean being "colour blind". It requires forces to recognize racialized experiences and tailor policing to reduce harm and disproportionate outcomes.

In the last few years that has been quite a few cases of Asian women being raped by white man specifically because of their race.

How many cases (I am aware of 2) and what happened to the perpetrators? They have been prosecuted and convicted haven’t they.

As I said is the key difference with the Pakistani grooming gangs. The majority of those are not even arrested and the government have caused large amounts of evidence and paperwork to be destroyed just to make future prosecution that much more difficult. The tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of victims are unlikely to see any justice at all thanks to those in authority shielding the perpetrators.

Do you have any sympathy for them or will you continue to minimise their experience?

The basics of comprehension are lost on you with your wild interpretation skills aren't they?

My husband is a Detective in the Met.

You have just posted your own interpretation when it is so far off PACE and what the guidelines are.

Nowhere in policing does it imply they give people a free pass if they commit an offence because they are non white.

Those guidelines are implemented so Officers have awareness of differing needs of the public. Such as a woman who is arrested in a hijab, and the requirements to search and prove identity, but only in the presence of another female officer.

The "police turn a blind eye for too many people of colour"?

What is next from your bag of tricks?

I await the next nugget of wisdom🙄

If that couple had called you an obvious racist name, then you would be justified in claiming racism, but they didn’t.

PPs exacerbating your worries and smearing the whole of the UK as racist is not helpful.

Can you quantify what was racist about the interaction you had? Are you feeling that the man was racist purely because he looked at your face?

Did he actually even look at your face?

Drunk blokes often don’t have that level of their awareness of their surroundings.

😂 it is okay folks, we are all getting a solid lesson on what racism is.

It is name calling only

You'll get nowhere on MN. Racism doesn't exist, micro-agressions don't exist, there's always an innocent explanation, and you just have a 'chip on your shoulder'.
I believe you.

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn voice of reason as usual. May I commend you for being able to write out your view points without resorting to insulting people who disagree with you. I notice that you are always quite measured, I don’t always agree with everything you say, but it’s refreshing that you’re able to articulate your point of view without calling other people ‘thick’ or accusing them of having a low EQ or generally just being very rude

Personally, I wanted to disagree with the poster that said that white people becoming a minority is a bad thing. I am careful not to conflate race with culture. Race is a man made construct and it is totally illogical to me to attach negative (or positive) connotations to someone because of how they look. I am, however, wary of British culture becoming diluted.
Multi-racial society? Crack on
Multi-cultural? Can only end badly in my opinion.

So the Police Minister Sarah Jones condemned the language in the anti racism document as ‘wrong’ and the NPCC have initiated a full review of the guidance in conjunction with all the police EDI training for shits and giggles have they?

If your DH went on EDI courses anything like the ones you did that led to your huge prejudice against all white Brits, I’m not surprised there is a problem.

This isn’t just confined to the police. The inquiry into the three murders committed by Valdo Calocane found that people across medical services as well were reluctant to do things which could have prevented the murders because he was black.

@cooooola the point of the matter is, you were subject to someone being incredibly rude to you and you were quite understandably worked up about it. I would be too. But there is no evidence to suggest it was racist. Nobody can say either way. It could be that the guy who slammed his glass down was a misogynist. Or he could have been drunk and in a foul temper about something. Literally nobody can
say either way.
What I would like to know is, if it turned out that what you experienced wasn’t racism, would that make you feel any differently? You can attach any meaning you like to an interaction in the absence of a solid reason from angry man. Perhaps it’s the sort of situation where, when we are treated badly, we trying to figure out the motives for that person treating us badly so we can better understand why they did it. I assume you’d never treat someone in that way, so his behaviour was alien to you in the sense that there is no way you would react to another human in that manner. I would say, don’t try to understand the motives of complete arseholes. Just see them for the arseholes they are and try to move on.

Prejudice against white people?

Perhaps that is what you chant on your Tommy Robinson marches? But can't say they appeal to me.

You forgot the "white people are becoming the minority"

That one was the winner🙄

Thank you - I do find people who bluster and throw insults rather unconvincing but sometimes amusing.

Multi-racial society? Crack on
Multi-cultural? Can only end badly in my opinion.

Agreed.

I enjoy healthy debate and think it is SO important. I have learnt a lot from the wise women here over the years. The government trying to shut down open debate and conversations is hugely divisive and worrying.

You tend to find those who go looking for racism are normally the subconscious racists. Fortunately, the law exists to remedy blatant racism.

Same. I’m short and white and middle aged. In other words, invisible!

This is well-known SM story designed to get people whipped up and it's worked. Again.

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn
I think most people are not racist AND agree with you but it’s just too exhausting and pointless to argue when insults are thrown around so that those who suggest the man in the pub was just drunk or in a foul mood are suddenly going on Tommy Robinson marches.

The OP and others are looking for racism at every corner and in fact this will create more division not less.