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Is this racism?

386 replies

cooooola · 07/07/2026 13:13

Basically I was at the pub in the pub and nobody was behind the bar.

I was first in line.

An elderly couple come and and then another man who slams his glass down.

When the bar lady asks "who is first"? I replied me.

The elderly couple say "we have been waiting ages".

And the man next says "I didn't see her".

I felt this was due to me being mixed race.
I felt quite intimidated.

I only popped in for a drink whilst OH has the kids.

I feel any shaken up as the only ethnic person in the place.
AIBU

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CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 16:51

HowManyHints · Yesterday 11:05

Don't be silly, @MissBeans83

I am sure that almost everyone on this board agrees that racism is a bad thing.

However, when the definition of racism expands to contain nonsense like the OP's post then that is a bad thing.

It is a bad thing because it dilutes the definition of racism. People find themselves accused of it for absolute nonsense or they read that a cry of false racism can lead to a young white man dying in the street.

When this happens they conclude that the definition of racism has become so wide that everyone will be accused of it at some point or other, so it becomes no big deal. They reasonably say, "So what!"

That will eventually lead to people saying "So what!" when the racism is real and serious.

That is why calling every woman and her dog racist is a bad thing.

You are part of that problem.

The more you over react with cries of Nazis and the ilk-to this non incident of the OP-the less seriously you will be taken.

So, it has started to eat its own tail.

That may lead to the definition being narrowed and made reasonable once again and that is why looking for racism everywhere may be a good thing ,as it will reign it in as people care less and less for being called racist for things like general rudeness or reading a copy of Enid Blyton's Noddy.

So, calm down, get with the programme.

You are part of the problem that will eventually lead to a growing number of people no longer caring about being racist whether they are or not.

Edited

Exactly. It did actually upset me the first few times that happened but now I really don’t care what people like that say. I was called a racist and a fascist the other day for saying that I’d like a conversation about immigration.

The thing is, I know I’m not a racist (or a fascist 🤣 - my kids may disagree when rooms need tidying) and all these people achieve is to demonstrate their complete lack of argument and propensity for bullying.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 16:56

catpupjoy · Yesterday 13:26

I feel astounded by the responses here - everything the op described sounds exactly like racism to me (and we can call it micro but it feels pretty bloody big to the victims) Don’t any of you have any compassion? Humanity? Any sense of justice?
My two daughters are not white and they face racism every single day - I’ve been with them countless times when i see people rolling their eyes at my gorgeous girls. They get ignored in shops, looked over in queues. They get shouted at. It is vile. And every one of your sarky comments is part of the racism my girls live with every single day.

Grow up, and learn to be nice

Can you specify exactly where the racist element in OPs interaction was?

If she has assumed racism because they looked at her face then that means she will interpret literally every negative interaction where her face is visible as racism.

Which is quite similar to pp accused the entire population of the U.K. of being racist. Which is also a ludicrous position to hold.

Saeris · Yesterday 18:12

TryNotToLaugh · Yesterday 13:26

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

woah there trigger - I've not read all the posts to this point.

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

You don't speak for me. I don't a shit what colour skin is in the majority / minority here in the UK - If we are here legally then we have as much right to be here as anyone else.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:17

Utter rage bait. So white people can't cheer black footballers when they score goals? Damned if we do damned if we don't. The fact that OP used that particular example shows just who really does want a divide. Bore off.

LuckyHazelFox · Yesterday 18:22

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Yesterday 16:51

Exactly. It did actually upset me the first few times that happened but now I really don’t care what people like that say. I was called a racist and a fascist the other day for saying that I’d like a conversation about immigration.

The thing is, I know I’m not a racist (or a fascist 🤣 - my kids may disagree when rooms need tidying) and all these people achieve is to demonstrate their complete lack of argument and propensity for bullying.

Everyone is a racist and a fascist if you don't fall in line with the likes of @MissBeans83 dated attitude. Don't get me started on seeing, yet again, the notion that black people can't be racist. For these people who claim be educated, I really do wish they would study the relevant legal position on racism. All very well doing these City and Guilds diversity courses. That makes you a level 2 novice.

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 18:35

cooooola · 07/07/2026 16:57

No the older couple were moaning to be about the terrible service.

When the bartender finally arrived and asked "who was first?" the older couple said "We have been waiting ages".

I didn't back down and got served first and stared them and the man out to show I wasn't being intimidated

This is the story. You stood your ground. A very normal pub situation. There's always a tosser.

Making a normal interaction like this into a racist incident does racism a disservice. You have told us nothing that suggests racism was involved. Unconscious bias because you were a woman by yourself, perhaps.

IsItSnowing · Yesterday 18:46

Racism, no well they might have been racist but impossible to tell. Just 2 selfish, self absorbed people who wanted to be served first. Unfortunately there’s a lot like them.

MissBeans83 · Yesterday 19:32

Saeris · Yesterday 18:12

woah there trigger - I've not read all the posts to this point.

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

You don't speak for me. I don't a shit what colour skin is in the majority / minority here in the UK - If we are here legally then we have as much right to be here as anyone else.

Oh I switched off with the her word salads.

It isn't worth your time.

BatchCookBabe · Yesterday 19:39

TryNotToLaugh · 07/07/2026 21:15

The fact that Pakistani males raped and exploited white girls doesn't change the power balance in our society.

Interesting that you’ve put that in the past tense when it’s still happening all around the country.

And that you ignore the cover up which went on for decades.

If white people are so powerful in the UK how come we have consistently for decades said we don’t want mass immigration but have had it nevertheless, for decades, to the extent we will soon be a minority? That doesn’t seem to indicate huge levels of power to me.

This. ^

cooooola · Yesterday 23:21

I wasn't really expecting such a huge response.

But from my perspective the media has played a significant hand in causing such a divide and stirring up racial hatred.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head for example, or the idiot who drove into people at the Liverpool parade, how come they were not branded terrorists?
Funnily enough Tommy Morrison kept quiet about.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

I stand by the incident in the pub was racism and some random bloke pipped up when it was nothing to do with him. He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

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BoredZelda · Yesterday 23:26

Could be. But I will say as a short person, this used to happen to me all the time back when I was in pubs a lot.

MissBeans83 · Today 06:13

cooooola · Yesterday 23:21

I wasn't really expecting such a huge response.

But from my perspective the media has played a significant hand in causing such a divide and stirring up racial hatred.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head for example, or the idiot who drove into people at the Liverpool parade, how come they were not branded terrorists?
Funnily enough Tommy Morrison kept quiet about.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

I stand by the incident in the pub was racism and some random bloke pipped up when it was nothing to do with him. He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

Why bother trying to justify and get answers from a collective group of racists on here? You won't.

You have seen the responses. From whataboutery, to rage, to passive aggressive responses.

Use your circle and your people who aren't racist and who will validate your experience in real life. Don't seek it here.

The vast majority of people have a brain and know what covert and overt racism is.

Unfortunately, you have attracted the ones on here who of of an undesireable demographic.

NoisyHiker · Today 06:25

Saeris · Yesterday 18:12

woah there trigger - I've not read all the posts to this point.

Me and the majority of white people in the UK. Not wanting to become a minority in our country. So extreme!

You don't speak for me. I don't a shit what colour skin is in the majority / minority here in the UK - If we are here legally then we have as much right to be here as anyone else.

If you don't care what skin colour is in the majority in the UK, does that not caring stretch to other countries?

So you wouldn't care if places like Nigeria, Japan or Pakistan became majority white countries? As long as the white people were there legally, even if the native populations did not want that?

You don't think it would have any negative effect on their culture or society?

TryNotToLaugh · Today 07:06

cooooola · Yesterday 23:21

I wasn't really expecting such a huge response.

But from my perspective the media has played a significant hand in causing such a divide and stirring up racial hatred.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head for example, or the idiot who drove into people at the Liverpool parade, how come they were not branded terrorists?
Funnily enough Tommy Morrison kept quiet about.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

I stand by the incident in the pub was racism and some random bloke pipped up when it was nothing to do with him. He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

There are no gangs of white men targeting black or brown children. But you know this.

TryNotToLaugh · Today 07:11

He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

I rest my case m’lud

LuckyHazelFox · Today 07:39

MissBeans83 · Today 06:13

Why bother trying to justify and get answers from a collective group of racists on here? You won't.

You have seen the responses. From whataboutery, to rage, to passive aggressive responses.

Use your circle and your people who aren't racist and who will validate your experience in real life. Don't seek it here.

The vast majority of people have a brain and know what covert and overt racism is.

Unfortunately, you have attracted the ones on here who of of an undesireable demographic.

Edited

Undesirable demographic - you wouldn't be stereotyping would you? I hope you didn't pay for those diversity courses because the material must have skipped the part on prejudice. You've concluded the OP was the subject of racism without even being present. I hope you're never called up for jury service because I'm not seeing much (overt or covert) objectivity.

MissBeans83 · Today 08:06

cooooola · Yesterday 23:21

I wasn't really expecting such a huge response.

But from my perspective the media has played a significant hand in causing such a divide and stirring up racial hatred.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head for example, or the idiot who drove into people at the Liverpool parade, how come they were not branded terrorists?
Funnily enough Tommy Morrison kept quiet about.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

I stand by the incident in the pub was racism and some random bloke pipped up when it was nothing to do with him. He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

I also meant to say, I have no doubt you accurately picked up on their racism.

A lot of these people do it in an insideous way, where they don't give you anything specific to quote you on.

Don't let it or them define who you are as a whole.

Saeris · Today 08:22

cooooola · Yesterday 23:21

I wasn't really expecting such a huge response.

But from my perspective the media has played a significant hand in causing such a divide and stirring up racial hatred.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head for example, or the idiot who drove into people at the Liverpool parade, how come they were not branded terrorists?
Funnily enough Tommy Morrison kept quiet about.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

I stand by the incident in the pub was racism and some random bloke pipped up when it was nothing to do with him. He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head

Who?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 08:27

cooooola · Yesterday 23:21

I wasn't really expecting such a huge response.

But from my perspective the media has played a significant hand in causing such a divide and stirring up racial hatred.

Since 9/11 whenever there is a terrorist attack the headline will always be "Muslim extremist" but when a white person commits the same it will always be watered and played down and never branded a terrorist.

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head for example, or the idiot who drove into people at the Liverpool parade, how come they were not branded terrorists?
Funnily enough Tommy Morrison kept quiet about.

And all this talk of Pakistani grooming gangs, but what about the white men who do the same?
Why no outcry there?

I stand by the incident in the pub was racism and some random bloke pipped up when it was nothing to do with him. He also slammed the glass down next to me quite aggressively.

the crazy girl with the shaved head who looks like a bloke

Seems it's the OP and her entourage who are keen to use discriminatory terms - on a thread about racism.

TryNotToLaugh · Today 08:29

Saeris · Today 08:22

That crazy girl who looks like a bloke with the shaven head

Who?

I think she’s referring to Alina Burns, according to the headlines - neo-nazi, far-right extremist, terrorism-motivated attack, nazi obsessed etc etc etc. But no mention of terrorism in the headlines of course because she is white #sarcasm

LuckyHazelFox · Today 08:33

TryNotToLaugh · Today 08:29

I think she’s referring to Alina Burns, according to the headlines - neo-nazi, far-right extremist, terrorism-motivated attack, nazi obsessed etc etc etc. But no mention of terrorism in the headlines of course because she is white #sarcasm

That explains the thread about Alicia Burns, which asked why there was no outcry there. It's very familiar to what the OP is saying here 🤔 what a coincidence.

TryNotToLaugh · Today 08:38

Alina Burns - no mention of terrorism 🙄

Is this racism?
Is this racism?
Is this racism?
ButtercupYellow26 · Today 08:40

You are the problem.
You are paranoid and looking for racism in even the most common situations .
You sound very immature.
GROW UP.

Papster · Today 08:55

cooooola · 07/07/2026 13:45

Drink addiction?

Was a Pepsi lol I don't even drink.

I was intimidated by the man next to me who had slammed his glass down next to me and butted in.

The place was awful and hardly any staff.

Elderly is a wrong word, they were more early 60s.

The man was swearing before hand to me about the lack of staff and could see I was first.

So the rude racist spoke to you too?
He's ignorant, aggressive, and probably pissed.
Your Pantone reference is irrelevant.
Better luck next time

MissHollyGolightly · Today 09:00

I read the OP as having very likely experienced racism in that moment. It didn’t seem up for question who was there first, they were messing with her. The privilege permeating so many of the replies here is astonishing.