Why do some feminists oppose misogyny but support gender ideology?

[Doodwhatareyou]

I recently ended up in the man hating side of tiktok, which is a place I tend to be in agreement with. I’ve seen several women bravely battle stupid men in the comments who manage to reinforce everything being said.

I’ve seen a pattern though that these women, who seem to be very up on rules of misogyny, and aware of how problematic too many men are, usually have pronouns in their bio, and occasionally will complain about being bullied by terfs.

I’m baffled.

How can they be so up on patriarchal nonsense yet miss the fundamental misogyny in gender ideology. How can they deny the evidence that trans identified men are just as much of a problem for women if not more as they want women’s rights and spaces.

They can make endless videos about how hateful men are because of the way women are treated, and how women have to budge up and make room, yet trans identified men are women, and anyone who says otherwise is a massive bigot. I don’t understand.

Throughout history you will find "evil" people who have done "good" things. And "good" people who have done "bad" things.

TRAs have managed to attach themselves to a good cause. And wanfing people to be accepted for who they are is not a bad thing in itself. But that doesnt give them the right to trample over others.

Many "GCs" as you dismissively calk us are horrified by the actions of Trump. We know he is just acting for himself and other straight white men. He is not a friend to women.

This is all the left have it seems. 'Oh look at Orange man, he's worse' 🙄

As a woman, I'll be fighting for ALL my rights thanks. Not just the ones the lefty bros deign I'm allowed.

Men who identify as women have already come for us.

Oh for goodness sake, stop sucking up and repeating twitter/bluesky talking points, false premises and the usual tropes.

Women have been meeting and organising for almost 10 years now; first of all in secret or in other's homes. This was when discussion was literally not an option anywhwere else but here, pretty much. The Labour party was still chanting " No Debate" and "TWAW", and seeking to eject long time members and trade union activists. Women were disciplined at work; banned from twitter; banned from many forums; castigated; screamed at; had our meeetings attacked or disrupted.

Journalists writing for Left wing publications were cast out; women who had been identifying themselves with the Left for decades. It took brave people to speak out; and then finally a few brave women managed to have pieces published in The Times or in 'Unherd' becaue The Guardian would not publish them. Court cases were brought, court cases were won, and women were increasingly being vindicated......

You assertions and insinuations are ill-informed and ignorant of all of this.

If you want to see what a truly grassroots movement can achieve in a relatively short period of time...look no further than all of the above.

Can you let us know which prominent GC women and which policies you were talking about earlier today?

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Homonyms are a bitch, aren't they. Role for roll, as an example; you have to read and re-read to grasp what was meant.

Though why Trump and his lads severely damaging Roe v Wade has anything to do with anything other than what was thought to be a right being removed at a tyrant's whim I cannot imagine. One of those "blimey, that's a reach" moments.

I think they attach them to any cause - they sucker on and try to look good by association.

I've been in the fight long enough to remember when it was 'trans and immigrants' (when immigrants were the current fashionable cause) - prior to that it was of course trans or gay (and now LGB with the T), and it's been black or trans, it's been children and trans - any cause, they tack 'or trans'..

And the trouble is, that they're not just asking to be accepted for who they are, but trying to force us to accept them as something they are not. Women fought for how long to be allowed to wear trousers? (and still some girls can't wear them to school), and then along comes trans and suddenly boys can wear skirts and they're actually girls and we should be kind and look after them, and if that girl there prefers short hair and trousers meaningful questions will be asked because maybe she's actually a boy.

It's a terrible cause. The feminist cause where we can follow whatever fashion choices and hobbies we want, whilst acknowledging the differences in experience and needs caused by our female bodies is the good cause.

We don't need to. It's not our arguments that are inconsistent.

Whereas transactivism....

You don't even know what "patriarchy" means, Bailey. You don't even understand THE. most fundamental feminist arguments of the last fifty years. So sorry if we don't fawn over your constant ridiculous DARVO posts that just show how disingenuous and ill informed you are. Pipe down.

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That's a horrendous point of view. Not all feminists are GC and we cannot expect that.

Go on, regale us about which part of that post is 'horrendous', you know you want to.

So if you’re a feminist, amd you support men in female spaces, you’ll be able to list the benefits losing single sex spaces and sports will have for women won’t you? And by women I mean females.

'horrendous'

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GC isn't everyone's approach to feminism. Some aren't bothered by issues like this rightly or wrongly. It might not be the feminism we recognise, but it's still where a very large group are at.

It goes against liberal mindedness approach to feminism

Feminism centres women, not men. Or is feminism another word that you are happy for men to re-define?

It's very polemical and basically says 'all men are 'bust ard s' etc. If we want the moral high ground we need to be fair minded

So that’s a no to the list of benefits then? Gotcha. So why is women advocating for single sex spaces and sex based rights “horrendous”? I mean, I could say liberal feminists advocating for men to be placed in women’s prisons, hospital wards and rape crisis centres was disgusting but I won’t. I tell myself ignorance is not misogyny.

I just think bad mouthing is no way to be a feminist

That isn't what was said

I don't, because you know

Yes it was. “If you advocate for men taking women’s stuff you’re not a feminist” Totally agree. Women’s stuff including single sex spaces, sports, sex based rights. How can you fight for women’s rights if you can’t define what a woman is?

It does not say that. Don't be silly. If you have something useful to say, just say it. We have all waited years for someone to explain why we should accept some men as women. Maybe you will be the one to make us see the light.

But I didn't say that, at any point and in any way. The dialogue needs to be civil or feminists lose credibility, look like they don't support each other in a broad church of views.