Is being trans a 'disease'/mental health issue?

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I'm asking on this board for deliberate considered responses so please do share your thoughts.

A lady on a local group has described being trans as a mental illness that should be treated with compassion not pandered to because it's a disease.

Looking into it more deeply I believe she's wrong and there is no current diagnostic manual that agrees with her take.

What do you think?

I think this is the frustration. Trans-women (and gay men) are more at risk due to the violence and homophobia of men.

Sadly the solution of transwomen using female spaces has simply transferred that risk on to women to deal with rather than the governement. If transwomen is undefined and inconsitent as a result of self-ID there is a guarantee that it will be exploited by the very men that single -sex spaces are designed to protect against in the first place.

There is more than enough room to create gender neutral spaces for everyone to use a that will permit inclusivity for transpeople. I know at least 5 women that do not go swimming due to the open changing rooms at the public pool. In Sydney airport they have male and female toilets, accessible toilets and all gender toilets and everyone uses them including parents with opposite sex children.

I completely agree with you. I wish those extra spaces were available everywhere. I don’t like the idea of using an accessible toilet meant for disabled people and potentially reducing access for them, but at the same time using the male toilets doesn’t feel right either. I really hope extra spaces for everyone is where we end up.

From your perspective do you think the activism of the transgender community has been helpful or hindered transprogression in society?

Or was it kind of OK and then there was a tipping point. I have consipricay theory that the more toxic parts of the debate was promoted by Donald Trumps campaign to boost his votes from women to win the most recent election.

I think trans activists pushed things to far tbh. The turning point seemed to start around the time they were insisting trans women are women, and aggressively went after anyone who disagreed. I feel like things were fine when we had the GRA and gender reassignment discrimination protection in the Equality Act. I don’t know why activists felt to need to push of more

I would agree. I think this is where I noticed the "activist" narcissism as in my original post and the influencers knowing they coudl make $$$ of the back of it of controversial behaviour (Lily Tino, Jeffrey Star and Blossom). The politicisation then allowed alot of open misogyny in mainline news reporting and entertainment... looking at you BBC and John Oliver.. and then alot of tolerance for transphobia and homophobia under the guise of a justified response.

Thank you for being so open about your experience and best of luck to us all.

'Trans' is by definition, denying who they are.

You mean deliberate correctly-sexing.

Bullying is gaslighting women to deny their eyes and lived experience to call a male a female. To mis-sex a male. That is what femphobic and sexist obsessives ask of the oppressed sex. To mis-sex a male as an unwilling cosplay. That is bullying at it's absolute definition. Trans refuse to accept themselves and then bully others.

Refusing to mis-sex someone is not being deliberately rude. Asking someone to lie and deny what their eyes see and their life experience and using them as a cosplay is deliberately rude and is very, very disrespectful.

Don't demand people mis-sex you, and stay out of female spaces. That's about it, well for me anyway.

Only abusers expect someone to lie and mis-sex someone.

I’m sure I’m not causing anyone alarm.

You really have absolutely no idea whatsoever. None whatsoever. That's male narcissism and centring your self. I can promise you, women and trauma victims do notice, and it does alarm us. The fact that many transwomen have said they have no issues using the males, the worst they get is a smirk, shows it's all about validation. Nothing else. You use women, trauma victims like myself, for validation. The fact that women sometimes cut queues and use the mens without any incident at all, proves there are no 'issues', you just want validation. And you genuinely don't care who you hurt. It's all about you.

Not true, a male person needs the consent to enter a female only intimate single sex facility.

Consider the argument that having people refer to Rachel Dolezal as an African American is offensive and insulting to African Americans. That's exactly how women feel when a male, our oppressor, is called one of us. It's hurtful, offensive and deeply insulting.

Because hormones do stuff all to change your appearance. They don't change the male voice, the male jawbone, the male height, male gait, adams apple, lack of hips, hand/feet size, etc. It really does absolutely nothing whatsoever to your actual appearance or skeletal structure.

Women call each other mates, it's not just something men say to each other.

This reads like a MLM advert. Most of it is not true. For example, males thicker facial skin does not reduce, and the angle of your face is caused by the shape of your skull. Jawline angularity is determined by the jaw bone, not fat or mass. Fat does not give you hips. That's the pelvic bone. That whole screed is pseudoscience from dishonest marketing.

But as you have confirmed TW are men, why should you be scared sharing spaces with other men? Why do you believe TW belong in women’s spaces when they are not women?

So if there had been some sort of medical treatment available which could have fixed your mental mapping of your body and meant you could accept your female body and live as a woman, do you agree that this would have been a better solution than trying to change your body to look male?

Fat does not give you hips.

But the redistribution of fat does give the appearance of hips. Through the administration of testosterone over years, I went from a very hourglass figure to a much more rectangular one.

Absolutely! Invasive surgery is by definition the very worst solution to any problem. Anything else would be better.

Your capacity for empathy is quite impressive.

I do have empathy. For those women who no longer have single sex spaces because men thought they deserved them. For the woman who got bullied, threatened and disciplined for not wanting to share female spaces with men. Women like Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses who were put through hell because men decided they had the right to watch women undress however much that upset those women. For people like Sarah who was denied a single sex rape crisis group. For the women served by ERC who, when they said they didn’t want to share their groups and services with males were told to “reframe their trauma”. If men feel uncomfortable in male spaces, then it is men who need to step up and be better allies. Why is no one telling men to #bekind?

So is yours....

“You’re asking me to ignore the evidence of my eyes and ears for the last 5 years and believe that everyone I’ve interacted with and use gendered language just decided to collectively humour me.”

Coming back to this.

You have said that you understand that transgender activism has gone too far. You have also shown your reaction to people using correct sex language.

Yet, you believe that no female person has correctly identified your sex in the past.

As a female person, I can assure you that there is no way that I would give any indication to a male person who had a transgender identity that I understood they were male in their presence. I don’t know many of my friends who would. I wouldn’t use female language for them, but that would be the only indication.

Some organisations have policies that make it clear that even misgendering will be considered something that will have a negative consequence to the person using accurate language.

Yet, you claim that no female in the past five years has correctly identified your sex category. Do you see how little credibility your statement has?

Again, recognising material reality (facts) is not ‘ideology’. If male people who have had their puberty blocked and have access to facial reconstruction still are easily identifiable as male, why the fuck do you believe that male people’s sex category is not accurately identifiable by some female people?

No male person over the age of 8 years old should be ever using female single sex provisions.

And no male person should be making statements about how they have not caused harm if they have accessed female single sex provisions. Any male person accessing female single sex provisions causes harm at a collective level to female people, but potentially also at an individual level.

That is why it is not up to a male person to decide whether or not their access to a female single sex provision has caused harm or not.

Female people’s capacity for empathy should not be judged by whether or not they agree that a male person who fears for their safety should be allowed to access a female single sex provision.

That would be an act of misogyny, in my opinion.

If a male person over the age of a child doesn’t feel safe in a male single sex provision, it is never acceptable to use the female single sex provision. There are many groups of male people in society who fear using male single sex provisions, why should one group be treated differently just because they have a subjective belief about themselves that they are female people?