Has there been an influx of TRAs to Mumsnet recently?

[ByTheRiverside]

I'm a long time reader. Only recently started to participate.

I very rarely saw any TRAs on here over the years. But in the past few weeks, I've noticed a lot of them coming here.

You can generally tell by the absolute shite coming out of their mouths, such as being avid apologists for sex offenders.

What's their deal with coming here? Are they saying that their 'womanhood' is reliant on us conforming to their belief, so they're trying to get us to agree with them? If that's so, then welcome!!! You're going to have to get used to reality real quick if you stick around.

Has anyone else noticed this, or just me?

Care to answer the questions then?

The truth isn't hyperbole.

It just suits you to be believe that online transphobia doesn't enable the well-documented anti-trans violence in schools.

Just as it suits you to believe that those criticising the anti-trans rhetoric here aren't direct victims of that violence.

Trans people are not men's rights activists. They're overwhelmingly feminists, because they've experienced misogyny. Trans men and women are impacted daily by cis male violence, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

A desire to campaign for women's spaces is no justification for villainising a minority, making comments about their bodies, inventing deeply odd origin stories for them, and denying the extreme violence they experience. All behaviour I see daily on this forum.

I'm too emotional, right. Hmm now where I have I heard that my entire life - oh yeah, from abusive men. Perhaps I'm hysterical too? Don't I seem tired and should rest my poor little head?

Dear me, a woman really should stop being emotional and leave you all to discuss The Origins Of The Trans Species like grown-ups. And ignore that the fun you're having is helping destroy lives.

Bollocks. Nothing but bollocks. Quite impressive, and most definitely hyperbolic.

Your problems are yours to solve, there are literally a million self help books on sale buy one and read it.
You can't escape misogyny by pretending not to be a women, if that's the motivation behind your daughters 'transing', you might want to ask yourself if you've contributed to the mental health issues that have caused her to try to run away from what she is.

They probably come because their other places, like Reddit, genuinely are an echo chamber. If I were to post on a TiM site and say that, no, a 45 year old man with hair in pigtails isn’t a “cute girl” and that “euphoria boners” = AGP I’d be banned.

They may all feel “valid” but I’m sure it’s boring

But if trans individuals are at risk from men, why is that women’s problem to solve? I want single sex spaces due to trauma caused by a man. The answer to that isnt to open up women’s single sex spaces to more men and leave me even more isolated and unable to access services.

why does your trans child need to be able to access male single sex spaces? Why can’t they campaign and use a fourth space? Or why can’t they use the space that aligns with their sex?

I am disabled. I have to use the disabled toilet because I can no longer use a loo without the rails etc. and the extra space. So everyone knows im disabled. Even if they didn’t notice the crutches, or the chair, or in the days before I used them all the time. Why is it so terrible that your child be expected to use a fourth space, that wouldnt even out them to the same degree as me using a disabled space? (Because people who aren’t trans would also be able to use the fourth space, but non-disabled people arent supposed to use the disabled loos)

I am sorry for what your child has experienced and I hope they have good support around them.

Yes. Not really much more to be said.

YY.

And yet, here you are.
No one is reporting your posts or trying to get you banned.
But as a PP said, if we were to try posting on Reddit...

Still waiting for a response to my comments about your creditials on propaganda and my comments on the immoveable rock of the truth that sex can't be changed even if you wish it to be possible.

The fact you don't have a response other than blow hot air with unsubstantiated guff about how we all want to harm children just makes you sound like one of those befuddled Americans who swears blind that the Democrats are Satan worshipers who want to abort babies right up to birth and even after birth and that's why they need to praise the lord and buy guns because they read it was true on the interwebs and can show you all the links.

Sorry but no. If you think MN is an echo chamber because we recognise reality, that's not my problem to fix either. We can't help this. We can't change the fact that you can't change sex. Stop blaming us for material reality.

A parent is unwilling or unable to admit they may have contributed to harming their child through affirmation.

We know that some cases are likely Munchausens by Proxy. How do we know this? Because some clinical professionals whistleblew spelling this out and the Cass review believes this to be a reputable and valid observation.

We are not the monsters for spelling this out.

Yep. If they had anything of worth to offer, we would have seen it by now.

Loving the IW inspired user name, BTW!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002xj7k/jamali-maddix-follow-the-leader-series-1-3-king-bullet-head-and-the-gun-church

My point of reference for looney tune alternative communities and reference to woman claiming abortion after birth. Yep it's a real quote. The whole series is good.

Think modern replacement for Louis Theroux since his BBC departure.

Can you describe to me how as an individual I have "helped destroy lives"?

I don't see how women's rights can be preserved if men can legally pretend to be women. That's what makes me post what I do. I'm arguing to help protect lives.

I might be angry at trans-identified males who have scared me a great deal with their campaign in the last few years. But I don't understand why they can't accept that they're still male, and that it's still okay for them to dress however they like.

I don't need them to even believe they're male. They're free to believe any delusion they like (though I would argue for their health, we should be trying to dismantle delusional states, not reinforce them).

So I don't understand when my philosophy is "Be a happy, healthy man who expresses his identity through any style he likes! Please also respect the boundaries of sex-based protections." how that becomes me deciding "I want to destroy your life."

Raising my hand at another one that had this epiphany too, but in my early twenties at work. I did a science degree so not so many essays, it took a critique of my report writing skills to make me see the light. Nowadays if I see a wall of text response then I tend tothink not everyone finds your science as interesting as you do (at work) or what are you trying to hide (social media and here).

I find the most persuasive writers are able to express their ideas clearly and simply. Their readers don’t have to fight through thickets of lush prose to get to the point. However, this does rely on having a good point to make in the first place.

Oh yes I saw that series yesterday - will give it a watch.

There's a bit in it where a lady (I think it's the same one) contemplates for a nanosecond the possibility of whether she could be wrong over The Moonies. Her response is interesting.

Oh nooo, not the reputation!

Always highly amusing when posters say this board or MN has a reputation. We're not 13 years old. We don't care about our reputation!

Reputation? For telling the truth and not letting men shit all over women?

MN isn't terribly popular with MRA activists and wife bashers either.

Yes, it’s a great reputation!

I was thinking back the other day & realised that it’s over 10 years now since WEP were tweeting about Tara Hudson while touting for MN votes, which is where I started getting really involved.

MNers should be bloody proud of our reputation when it comes to standing up
for our sex-based rights.

And the recent one called Jade has just posting a thread linking Rowling to nazis. It's probably the same poster back under another name.

Trans activists are overwhelmly 99% Mens Rights Activists. Their whole entire goal, is to allow the male sex to enter female spaces. The female sex is impacted by male violence, regardless of how that male identifies, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

Males are 50% of the population. They are not a 'minority'. Any violence transwomen experience is no justification for villainising the vulnerable sex and removing our spaces. Male on male violence is no justification for putting males in dresses in female spaces.

The female sex are not human shields for males of any identity.

And, on that note, there are cubicles in male spaces that transwomen can use. HTH.

Absolutely 💪

If you actually believe that, I kind of pity you.

It's basically an admission that you think no one would be a woman unless their motives were malicious. That's quite some misogyny, or internalised misogyny. Women are magnificent.

Trans women have lives. They go to work, attend parent's evening and make toast like everyone else - they just happen to do it while trans. The idea they're solely focused on 'invading spaces' when those spaces are public in the first place is beyond ridiculous.

No one needs to transition to attack us, they do it wherever they want and almost never prosecuted, let alone convicted.

Not sure which is more worse, really - treating a whole minority as video-game level 2D hive-minders, pretending trans guys don't exist, or your attitude to women.