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Dundee girl with axe verdict- Ilia Belov found guilty of assault and injury

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snowbear22 · 12/06/2026 12:29

The Dundee girl who brandished an axe has been vindicated today as the court case has proved that she acted in self defence, her sister was attacked by the adults Ilia Belov and his sister.
Ilia Belov has today been convicted of assault and injury and making sexual remarks to a child.
The court heard previously that the 12-year-old girl Belov attacked admitted pulling a knife and axe from her waistband, but only after Belov had assaulted her.
The girl told the trial previously that her sister started to shout at Belov after the remarks, but the pair were pulled away by a friend.
She then told the court Belova approached the group, pushed her and threw her sister to the ground.

At the time the girl was believed to be the aggressor by many, particularly Freddy Sayers, editor of UnHeard, who called the reaction to the video 'propaganda slop' and Kathleen Stock's article, which did not defend or show much sympathy for the girls although the 12 year old is clearly scared in the video, but was concerned about the right wing narrative on X which emerged as it fitted the narrative of anti immigrant propaganda.

Link to origional vidio filmed by Mr Belov

Ilia Belov & sister found guilty of attacking girls in Dundee

Kathleen Stock 'Britain doesn’t need stupid hot takes'

A brother and sister stand outside a court building. The woman is looking around a pillar at the camera and the man is grinning

Brother and sister guilty of attacking teenage girls in Dundee

A court heard the man made sexual remarks to a group of girls before he and his sister attacked two of the group

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2d83w1yvyo

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askso · 12/06/2026 23:12

Stock mocked the children in her article, she didn’t just simply get it wrong. She saw that video, the why are you touching a 12 year old audio, the pure panic of the girls. And instead of believing those girls and considering why, why are the girls screaming, carrying knives etc (it’s pretty obvious) she made a joke about them, the victims.

Many commentators, fell over backwards to try and make the child victims the bad guys.
then people are asking why are they carrying weapons, see above, working class girls are not believed, it happened with the grooming gangs. If the police, the press, politicians, public are going to not believe you, instead mock you, not protect you, you’re going to try and do something within your power as a child to protect yourself.

Should children be carrying weapons? Not in an ideal world, but are some of them going to because of a history of adults failing them even if it’s not the wisest choice so they can have a feeling of safety and security that no one else is providing for them? Yes.

and it would be a tough conversation to have, the “don’t take a weapon out” one because the obvious follow up question, is going to be who or what will protect me then if I can’t protect myself? and the answer for many, is no one.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 12/06/2026 23:15

Shedmistress · 12/06/2026 21:45

Bindel and Stock are petrified of being called Ultras so were unable to see how ridiculous it was that a girl had to resort to carrying weapons because of the fear of ever being called racist for pointing out the bleeding obvious.

Kellie-Jay Keen, Aug 29, 2025:

She’s a child. A frightened child. She may be a very badly behaved child. But without the full, verified, facts I’m unlikely to condemn her or blame her for this interaction. I’m likely to think the adult male with a camera is at fault. I certainly wouldn’t be gleeful at the thought she’s to blame.
The Pakistani muslim paedophile rape gangs relied upon us all seeing a trouble maker rather than a victim, that’s the fucking point of this post.

x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1961377232812745096

Hoardasurass · 12/06/2026 23:30

Cailleach1 · 12/06/2026 21:03

It is the height of hypocrisy, isn’t it? The police put out misinformation/disinformation themselves. They stated that the girls (‘youths’) approached the Bulgarian couple. John Swinney swiftly commenting that misinformation was circulating. Yet, we now know it was not misinformation that the dodgy man was the one harassing the girls. Also, it was the man and his sister who assaulted the girls.

First of all, if it was not clear what happened, the police shouldn’t have put out that statement. However, the truth, and the fairness for the girls seem to have been incidental to them. If it wasn’t yet established exactly what happened, the police knew it could be a falsehood they were peddling. So, I think the police knowingly saying something that they knew could be untrue was disinformation. They just didn’t care if what they said was true or not, and tried to pretend others were the one’s peddling lies.

Second of all, if on checking of cctv etc, they could see what happened, they should have retracted what they said as being unsubstantiated. They could easily have said their previous statement was misinformation. If they were quite happy to issue that first statement claiming the girls had approached the couple, it would be a bit coy to suddenly pretend to be concerned about an ongoing case. There should be a formal apology to the girls and their families if that is not already done. And the public they are supposed to serve without fear or favour. And a change in their fast and loose approach to their statements. Especially when it involves women and girls, as this seems to be their very careless spot.

If John Swinney was concerned about misinformation, he should have said it will all come out in the trial. Not adding his tuppence into the misinformation soup.

I think it is how the police, and politicians, acted which is most worrying (and shocking) here. I mean, would you really trust them with any sexual crimes.

Ok, I’m very cynical. And I think becoming more so with every revelation of how the police/ authorities/ societies are complicit in the abuse and lack of justice for women and girls.

Edited

Hamza yousef put out this

Dundee girl with axe verdict- Ilia Belov found guilty of assault and injury
Dundee girl with axe verdict- Ilia Belov found guilty of assault and injury
mrshoho · 13/06/2026 08:11

Hoardasurass · 12/06/2026 23:30

Hamza yousef put out this

Yousaf"s priorities were clear to see. Gleeful that he could refute the nasty far right and sneer at the white working class children of Scotland.

Greenwitchart · 13/06/2026 08:15

Shudacudawuda · 12/06/2026 12:48

Because she was a scared 12 year old who was let down by the adults in her life (including the authorities) that should have been protecting her from scum bags like this. Kids don't always make the best decisions, especially when under threat. Poor girl, makes me think of the grooming gangs where the girls were arrested instead of the obvious paedophile men.

This.

The child is not at fault here for protecting herself and the other girls she was with.

It is all the adults who failed to protect her and the man who sexualised her who are the problem.

mrshoho · 13/06/2026 09:05

Meanwhile another serious assault on a 17 year old girl in Barnsley yesterday. Stabbed from behind in the neck by a man. The footage is all over X and FB and it is horrific only a brief mention on bbc local news. Mainstream news appears to be playing the severity of the attack as non life changing but seeing the footage it is barbaric.

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 13/06/2026 09:41

@mrshoho its Burnley, not Barnsley.
https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/crime/man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-attempted-murder-after-brierfield-stabbing-8702396

mrshoho · 13/06/2026 09:45

Sorry yes Burnley. Poor girl, don't know how her life is not going to changed after this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2026 09:49

That’s horrific.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2026 09:50

Greenwitchart · 13/06/2026 08:15

This.

The child is not at fault here for protecting herself and the other girls she was with.

It is all the adults who failed to protect her and the man who sexualised her who are the problem.

Edited

Also this. Poor 12 year kid, having to deal with being sexually harassed and assaulted by adults and then made out to be the one in the wrong with vile comments about her.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2026 09:52

Cailleach1 · 12/06/2026 21:03

It is the height of hypocrisy, isn’t it? The police put out misinformation/disinformation themselves. They stated that the girls (‘youths’) approached the Bulgarian couple. John Swinney swiftly commenting that misinformation was circulating. Yet, we now know it was not misinformation that the dodgy man was the one harassing the girls. Also, it was the man and his sister who assaulted the girls.

First of all, if it was not clear what happened, the police shouldn’t have put out that statement. However, the truth, and the fairness for the girls seem to have been incidental to them. If it wasn’t yet established exactly what happened, the police knew it could be a falsehood they were peddling. So, I think the police knowingly saying something that they knew could be untrue was disinformation. They just didn’t care if what they said was true or not, and tried to pretend others were the one’s peddling lies.

Second of all, if on checking of cctv etc, they could see what happened, they should have retracted what they said as being unsubstantiated. They could easily have said their previous statement was misinformation. If they were quite happy to issue that first statement claiming the girls had approached the couple, it would be a bit coy to suddenly pretend to be concerned about an ongoing case. There should be a formal apology to the girls and their families if that is not already done. And the public they are supposed to serve without fear or favour. And a change in their fast and loose approach to their statements. Especially when it involves women and girls, as this seems to be their very careless spot.

If John Swinney was concerned about misinformation, he should have said it will all come out in the trial. Not adding his tuppence into the misinformation soup.

I think it is how the police, and politicians, acted which is most worrying (and shocking) here. I mean, would you really trust them with any sexual crimes.

Ok, I’m very cynical. And I think becoming more so with every revelation of how the police/ authorities/ societies are complicit in the abuse and lack of justice for women and girls.

Edited

Quite.

ilovebrie8 · 13/06/2026 10:17

Hoardasurass · 12/06/2026 23:30

Hamza yousef put out this

Has Humza Yousef apologised?
He needs to as he was quick to say the girl was lying?
He doesn’t like whites. He said Scotland is too white.

Hoardasurass · 13/06/2026 10:31

ilovebrie8 · 13/06/2026 10:17

Has Humza Yousef apologised?
He needs to as he was quick to say the girl was lying?
He doesn’t like whites. He said Scotland is too white.

No he hasn't and hes been approached for comments from the Scottish daily express, the courier and the daily record but has so far failed to make any comment.

Both useless and his wife (a dundee councillor) were quick to call her a racist and smear everyone who believed her as far right. They seem very quick to call everyone racist as they did the same to a nursery when they didn't have space for their child, with threats of a lawsuit which useless quickly settled out of crt when the nursery counter sued.
Tbh he is the most racist person in Scottish politics but gets a free pass as his is anti white racism

ilovebrie8 · 13/06/2026 10:42

I know @Hoardasurass he is despicable as is his wife.

He needs to apologise.

He is bad news and should not be anywhere near public office.

LittleMerrymaid · 13/06/2026 11:46

I’m still waiting on a statement from the police as to why the girl had the weapons in the first place. It’s something that’s been very adeptly swept under the carpet amidst everything else being reported and commented on.

Hoardasurass · 13/06/2026 12:10

LittleMerrymaid · 13/06/2026 11:46

I’m still waiting on a statement from the police as to why the girl had the weapons in the first place. It’s something that’s been very adeptly swept under the carpet amidst everything else being reported and commented on.

Id rather they explained why they put out a statement lieing about her and blaming her claiming that cctv backed up his version of events yet when it was show in crt it actually backed up the girls version. Id also like to know why they subsequently put out another statement after the man and his sister were arrested which didn't name them or what theyd been arrested for whilst telling everyone what the girl had been charged with.

The police and politicians have many questions to answer and they include why this girl not only felt it was nesscary to carry them but did indeed need them to protect herself and sister from a violent sexually predatory man and his violent sister

mrshoho · 13/06/2026 12:24

Have to be thankful for cctv. As is happening more and more, only but for cctv or phone cameras and dash cams are the perpetrators charged and convicted. The authorities and media were more than happy to dismiss the girl's side in favour of the real criminals. I once thought increasing cctv would be an infringement to our liberty but not anymore.

I was also hesitant of facial ID being introduced but now it is becoming clear how important it is going to be. The police and authorities have lost control of who is walking our streets and coming in and out of the country.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/06/2026 14:10

Article by Brendan O’Neill about the case:

archive.today/kNKKA

'First they were subjected to disgusting sexual remarks from an adult male, then they were bombarded with cruel abuse from strangers on the internet. The salt of classism rubbed into the wound of sexual harassment.

To me, there is no mystery whatsoever as to why the girls were not only disbelieved but mocked, mauled and treated as if they were the perpetrators. It’s because they are working-class. It’s because they are ‘white trash’. It was a searing testament to the modern left’s haughty disgust for the ‘riff raff’ that they would take the word of a 22-year-old Bulgarian male over the word of scared Scottish girls.

Their gross caricatures of these supposedly feral girls necking Irn Bru and wielding axes at innocent immigrants completely fell apart in court. The sheriff described the girls’ evidence as ‘eloquent’. Their case was true and well put, he said. Eternal shame on every keyboard bigot who saw one clip of these girls and instantly decided they were the scum of the earth.

The slandering of ‘Sophie of Dundee’ was like a replay, on a smaller scale, of the state’s vile denialism when working-class girls said they’d been raped by gangs of primarily Muslim men. Then, too, the men were often believed over the girls. Well, they were from an ‘oppressed’ minority whereas the girls were just classless ruffians hanging out in places they shouldn’t have been. That was the odious prejudice on which the grooming-gang scandal was built.'

Edited to add: Mumsnet keeps breaking the URL to the article when I paste it 🤷‍♀️

mrshoho · 13/06/2026 16:00

The haughty left have a lot to answer for. From selling out women's rights to their disdain for the white working class people. The left who were once the champions for the working class and the poor and the elderly and the disabled appear just as bad if not worse than the 'cruel' Conservative Party. And how hypocritical too, forcing upon us, high immigration of millions of people from third world countries and dropping them into already poor and deprived areas. Telling people if you complain you're racist and not worthy of the right to have any opinion. So what if your hospitals and other services are falling apart. But not in their nice areas if you please.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/06/2026 16:13

Upper middle-class, Fabian paternalism has always been a feature of the UK Left, particularly in think tanks. And since Blair reformed Labour it’s featured more in MPs because far fewer MPs these days have worked their way up through the old 'shop floor to floor of the House' pipeline.

MPs live lives that are very unlike the majority of their constituents and it very much shows.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 13/06/2026 17:03

mrshoho · 13/06/2026 16:00

The haughty left have a lot to answer for. From selling out women's rights to their disdain for the white working class people. The left who were once the champions for the working class and the poor and the elderly and the disabled appear just as bad if not worse than the 'cruel' Conservative Party. And how hypocritical too, forcing upon us, high immigration of millions of people from third world countries and dropping them into already poor and deprived areas. Telling people if you complain you're racist and not worthy of the right to have any opinion. So what if your hospitals and other services are falling apart. But not in their nice areas if you please.

The working class of this country have been dumped on by everyone beginning with Thatcher who deindustrialised their areas and left many of them unemployed from which they never really recovered. This continued with the Blair project to turn the UK into a high immigration, low wage, cheap labour country. Around the time of Blair, a narrative began of an idle, useless white chavvie underclass mainly promulgated by the posher media like the Guardian and that immigrants had selflessly come here to serve the country and rescue it. Lol. My family came here from Ireland. They just wanted to make money they couldn't have made at home. Nothing wrong with that,mind.

mrshoho · 13/06/2026 17:07

YourAmplePlumPoster · 13/06/2026 17:03

The working class of this country have been dumped on by everyone beginning with Thatcher who deindustrialised their areas and left many of them unemployed from which they never really recovered. This continued with the Blair project to turn the UK into a high immigration, low wage, cheap labour country. Around the time of Blair, a narrative began of an idle, useless white chavvie underclass mainly promulgated by the posher media like the Guardian and that immigrants had selflessly come here to serve the country and rescue it. Lol. My family came here from Ireland. They just wanted to make money they couldn't have made at home. Nothing wrong with that,mind.

💯

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2026 19:33

Hoardasurass · 13/06/2026 10:31

No he hasn't and hes been approached for comments from the Scottish daily express, the courier and the daily record but has so far failed to make any comment.

Both useless and his wife (a dundee councillor) were quick to call her a racist and smear everyone who believed her as far right. They seem very quick to call everyone racist as they did the same to a nursery when they didn't have space for their child, with threats of a lawsuit which useless quickly settled out of crt when the nursery counter sued.
Tbh he is the most racist person in Scottish politics but gets a free pass as his is anti white racism

I still chuckle when I see the video where he fell off that mini scooter.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 14/06/2026 17:25

It was sickening how so many piled in on the young girls, automatically giving the benefit of the doubt to an adult male who was very obviously taunting them while videoing them. That girl looked absolutely terrified!

I seriously doubt that this would have been their reaction if the man had been white working class. They would probably have speculated that he was likely a "flag shagger" paedophile who supported Tommy Robinson and made much of the fact that "white men do bad things too!" Like we don't know that 🙄

The Daily Mail published an "exclusive interview" with the supposedly saintly Bulgarian promoting his lies:

Daily Mail
27 Aug 2025
https://archive.ph/wxrKR

Another "exclusive": the newspapers were so keen to smear the girls and publish sickly sweet hagiographies of the man!

EXCLUSIVE: Bulgarian dad branded ‘monster’ over Dundee ‘knife’ incident speaks out
The Courier - Aug 29 2025
https://archive.ph/elYNl

Other papers republished the stories with the "heart warming" photos of the man with his wife and baby.

There were over 500 comments under one copy of the video posted on Facebook and the "anti-racists" were out in force condemning the girls - who were just children! There was no convincing them that if all they had to go on was the video that it was more than reasonable to give the girls the benefit of the doubt - rather than the man who was tormenting them.

The perp himself was in there commenting on Facebook and he even posted that he sold her the knife himself! Presumably that was a lie too because I haven't read that it came up in the court case.

At the time, when all that was known about it was the video, it was disgusting that so many people were prepared to take his word for what happened and even disbelieved one of the mothers when she posted photos of the injuries to her daughter.

🙏 Thank you @mrshoho for posting the link to this Sept 2025 blog post as the account of the incident seems to have been borne out by the court verdict:

JUSTICE FOR LOLA AND RUBY
12 Sept 2025
https://justice-for-lola-and-ruby.blogspot.com/2025/09/justice-for-lola-and-ruby.html

In the early evening of 23 August 2025, Ilia Kostadinov Belov, alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’, who describes himself as a ‘Gypsy gangster’ and originally comes from the central Bulgarian province of Stara Zogana, sexually harassed a group of young girls in Dundee, Scotland. Among the girls were Lola (12) and her sister Ruby (13). When the young girls tried to escape the situation, ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ and a relative of his kicked and punched 13-year-old Ruby, injuring her severely. Only when Ruby's 12-year-old sister Lola intervened with a hatchet and a knife and stood protectively in front of her sister did ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ and his companion end the attack. ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ immediately pulled out his mobile phone, started filming and approached the girls again, harassing Lola in particular, who constantly tried to defend herself and move backwards. However, ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ put Lola in such distress that the girl was once again forced to keep the ‘Gypsy gangster’ at bay with the hatchet and knife she was carrying. When the police arrived shortly afterwards, 12-year-old Lola was arrested instead of the assailant ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’, while ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ was only questioned briefly by the police and then allowed to leave the scene.

The footage went viral, and ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ began portraying himself in the media as the victim of an attack by a 12-year-old girl, while the serious injuries suffered by 13-year-old Ruby as a result of the brutal attack by Ilia Kostadinov Belov, alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’, and his accomplice, were concealed from the public by the Police Scotland and the mainstream media:

It took several days and countless alternative media outlets and supporters to counter and correct the lies of the ‘Gypsy Gangster’ and the misinformation of the mainstream media before the world, with the result that ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ and his companion were belatedly but ultimately charged with assault, and above all, Lola was widely rehabilitated in the eyes of the public. Nevertheless, Lola and her family had to move to a new city, mainly because of the massive threats made against the two young girls in the first few days after 23 August, which were due to the inaccurate reporting by the mainstream media.

During our campaign to support Lola in particular, we were often asked, ‘Why does a 12-year-old girl from Dundee carry a hatchet and a knife in her waistband when she leaves the house?’

Our response to that question is as follows:

‘Dundee has got a problem according to the News: Just in January 2025 were five convicted following dedicated investigation into exploitation and trafficking in Dundee. Four men and one woman have been convicted following an extensive investigation into sexual exploitation, human trafficking and the supply of drugs in Dundee (all of the convicted were gypsies from Romania). Dundee also seems to have its own ‘Women's Rape & Sexual Abuse Centre’, probably not for no reason.

According to The Herald is Dundee at the 'top' of the crime list in Scotland. In the year 2023/24, it registered 847 crimes for every 10,000 inhabitants.

The number of sexual crimes doubled in Dundee since 2007 according to the Police Scotland. Datas can be easily researched through OSINT.

The situation is obviously bad enough in some areas of the city that young girls from those areas feel the need to carry knifes and hatchets to protect themselves against grooming gangs and all sort of other criminals and crazy people who stalk them.

The best example for that is Lola and her encounter with the self-styled ‘Gypsy-Gangster’ as Ilia Kostadinov Belov alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ describes and represents himself at numerous postings on his social media accounts.’

(MY NOTE: I could not find any evidence that the Bulgarian police operation mentioned below is connected in any way with what happened in Dundee nor any evidence that Ilia Belov aka Fatos Ali Dumana belongs to the "Kalaidzhi" clan or any other clan, although that is certainly possible.)

‘Fatos Ali Dumana’ brought not only himself but also his entire clan onto the radar and thus into the focus of a further investigation into the structures of his clan, which criminal investigators describe as a transnational criminal organisation.

In this context, we would like to announce that the Bulgarian authorities reacted immediately on 25 August, two days after the attack on the girls in Dundee on 23 August, and took the first steps in the form of a ‘police operation’ against one of the settlements that serves as a safe haven in Bulgaria for the clan of ‘Fatos Ali Dumana’:

On 25 August 2025, the settlement, one of the retreat areas of the ‘Fatos Ali’ clan in Bulgaria, was surrounded by the local police and 101 illegally build houses were demolished with bulldozers and excavators in a single morning. Further houses in the settlement were searched, two criminals were arrested, drugs were seized and stolen goods were recovered. The settlement had also illegally tapped into the city's electricity and water supply, a situation that was also put to an end by the local police forces on that day. The Bulgarian Ministry of the Interior had ordered the ‘police operation’.

(The next part about the "Virgin Bride Market" is true though.)

It is worth to mention that a ‘cultural event’ takes place every year in the hometown of Ilia Kostadinov Belov, alias ‘Fatos Ali Dumana,’ that deals with the Gypsy clan to which he belongs:

‘Every spring, the town of Kazanluk in the Stara Zagora region of central Bulgaria hosts a controversial bride market where young virgins are paraded before suitors who bid for them. The market is the largest annual gathering of the 18,000-strong Bulgarian Roma clan of the Kalaidzhi.’

++++++++++

This is horrific!

"Lola and her family had to move to a new city, mainly because of the massive threats made against the two young girls in the first few days after 23 August, which were due to the inaccurate reporting by the mainstream media."

MUM'S FURY Mum of Scots girl vilified as racist for standing up to sex pest demands apology from John Swinney
12 June 2026

Police and the First Minister appeared to suggest the child, then 12, was lying about being attacked by Bulgarian creep Ilia Belov when she brandished the blades.

But it’s claimed this led to her being bombarded with threats and abuse.
Her mother, who was also wrongly branded a crackhead, revealed she even had to send her daughter to stay with a relative after a threat to firebomb their home.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16379545/mum-demands-john-swinney-apology-over-racist-girl-claim/

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 14/06/2026 17:35

The screen shot fell off my previous post, wrt:

"The perp himself was in there commenting on Facebook and he even posted that he sold her the knife himself! Presumably that was a lie too because I haven't read that it came up in the court case."

This video by Blackbird Documentaries, who was in court, goes through where the CCTV footage was taken from and she describes what it it showed.

Ilia Belov & Nadjedzha Belova found GUILTY. Assault & Abuse of "Dundee Axe Girl" Court Report +CCTV
13 June 2026

Dundee girl with axe verdict- Ilia Belov found guilty of assault and injury
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