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Thread 53 Starmer: Insania Aestiva

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DuncinToffee · 30/06/2026 17:44

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TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 09:01

I am a bit on the fence about this article. I think it lacks a lot of detail (obviously because detail didn't seem to be available).
I think it is worth bearing in mind that the Guardian hates Starmer.

Once licenced for use in the UK, NICE still has to approve "whizzy new drugs" for use on the NHS. If the drugs are too expensive NICE will say no. I found another article which says:

"The deal will also see the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) increase the amount it is happy for the NHS to spend on potentially life-extending drugs, from £20,000 to £30,000 a year for every year of life gained to £25,000 to £35,000 – the first increase in the watchdog’s quality-adjusted life year formula since it was set up in 1999"

They have obviously done this to allow for the whizzy new drugs but it is also good news generally for patients.

Finally, the article says:

"Look! ministers said: we get to buy these whizzy new drugs from America. Truth was, we always could, if we wanted to – except now the choice was no longer ours."

Which makes it sound as though the NHS has free rein over the drugs it uses. Which is not entirely true. One massive issue over the years has been that "whizzy new drugs from America" are massively expensive and so have been turned down by NICE, often to much fury and many news articles. This will remain the case, even for drugs under the new deal, as far as I can tell. Maybe Trump didn't understand that bit.

In short, I think more detail is needed on this one before we slam Starmer.

Eta: posted before I saw @DuncinToffee 's post...The crucial question is where is the money coming from!

DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 09:03

The Times is now also reporting

Reform donor’s fuel company linked to Russia-supplied refinery

Christopher Harborne’s AML Global has contracts to supply aircraft fuel produced by an Indian refinery that regularly receives Russian crude oil

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SerendipityJane · 02/07/2026 11:08

DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 09:03

The Times is now also reporting

Reform donor’s fuel company linked to Russia-supplied refinery

Christopher Harborne’s AML Global has contracts to supply aircraft fuel produced by an Indian refinery that regularly receives Russian crude oil

Someone really has it in for Reform. Ever since Restore became "a thing".

I can only guess that seeing the grift that can be made from the politics of hate, everybody now wants a piece of the action. It's like "AI". FOMO.

Is there room for another "Re-" themed political party ?

Renew ?
Rebalance ?
Replay ?

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 11:11

Refuse?

SerendipityJane · 02/07/2026 11:14

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 11:11

Refuse?

Is "Raise" close enough ?

Thread 53 Starmer: Insania Aestiva
DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 11:18

Former Sun Editor Kelvin MacKenzie, the foghorn voice of the Hard Right, has just used GB News to urge Farage to give back the £5 million “gift”.

They’re all turning on Farage now.

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BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 11:20

SerendipityJane · 02/07/2026 11:14

Is "Raise" close enough ?

Oh the irony.

My goodness, Mackenzie of all people. There are signs the tide’s turning.

SerendipityJane · 02/07/2026 11:28

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 11:20

Oh the irony.

My goodness, Mackenzie of all people. There are signs the tide’s turning.

Someone, somewhere - a shadowy cabal - has determined that there may be more money to be made from the disruption of dumping Farage, than there is by sticking with him.

LizzieW1969 · 02/07/2026 11:32

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 08:04

That’s appalling. Between that and the defence deficit Starmer’s left as he goes my disappointment with him has become real anger. So much for a safe pair of hands.

I absolutely agree, this really is unforgivable.

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 11:47

SerendipityJane · 02/07/2026 11:28

Someone, somewhere - a shadowy cabal - has determined that there may be more money to be made from the disruption of dumping Farage, than there is by sticking with him.

Maybe they have decided Lowe is their man 😱

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2026 11:52

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 11:47

Maybe they have decided Lowe is their man 😱

It’s possible, isn’t it? Musk’s already endorsed him.

dontcallmelen · 02/07/2026 12:34

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 11:47

Maybe they have decided Lowe is their man 😱

This was first thought bloody scary if it is the case.

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 12:37

dontcallmelen · 02/07/2026 12:34

This was first thought bloody scary if it is the case.

It is. But I don't think Lowe has the attributes that makes Farage popular with some people. I don't think he could achieve what Farage has.

I hope.

dontcallmelen · 02/07/2026 12:44

🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Cheguevarahamster · 02/07/2026 12:49

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 12:37

It is. But I don't think Lowe has the attributes that makes Farage popular with some people. I don't think he could achieve what Farage has.

I hope.

I dont think so either. I think if it happens Lowe's star will shine for a short time and then it will be a complete shit show. He and his minions are more overtly racist than Farage. It will be snake eating tail time.

MsJinks · 02/07/2026 13:12

Late tax - lots to catch up on - just a double rainbow over my City of Sanctuary- City of Hope …

Thread 53 Starmer: Insania Aestiva
DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 13:13

The Tories have started a petition 'Stop Ed Miiliband" Confused

https://bsky.app/profile/joshgabbatiss.bsky.social/post/3mpntrsgedc27
As the Conservatives post this, it's worth knowing that right-wing newspapers have printed 230 editorials criticising Ed Miliband since Labour won the election in 2024.

Josh Gabbatiss (@joshgabbatiss.bsky.social)

As the Conservatives post this, it's worth knowing that right-wing newspapers have printed 230 editorials criticising Ed Miliband since Labour won the election in 2024.

https://bsky.app/profile/joshgabbatiss.bsky.social/post/3mpntrsgedc27

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Notonthestairs · 02/07/2026 13:22

DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 13:13

The Tories have started a petition 'Stop Ed Miiliband" Confused

https://bsky.app/profile/joshgabbatiss.bsky.social/post/3mpntrsgedc27
As the Conservatives post this, it's worth knowing that right-wing newspapers have printed 230 editorials criticising Ed Miliband since Labour won the election in 2024.

Fossil fuel companies want to see a return on their investment in the Tories.

Notonthestairs · 02/07/2026 13:23

I don’t remember any Tory politician paying any attention to petitions before. Sign of their desperation.

MsJinks · 02/07/2026 13:24

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 11:47

Maybe they have decided Lowe is their man 😱

Musk has decided Lowe is the man - but Musk doesn’t seem to always read the room politically.

Without Farage Reform would collapse and not all go to Restore. I have to believe Restore is too racist for most people - certainly for enough to make Restore a failure - hope these aren’t famous last words!

OTOH perhaps these shadowy fixers tgink we need to get back to the Tories - as is more traditional in Britain!

With the latest immigration proposals though - and the drugs thing I’ve only just seen - is any party left that is going to do well and not be too far right?

I did not agree with the ousting of Starmer but this last week I now have to see it as probably a good thing - as long as Burnham can get back some left in there.

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 13:25

Some mumsnetters will be tripping over themselves to sign that.

Cheguevarahamster · 02/07/2026 14:43

DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 13:13

The Tories have started a petition 'Stop Ed Miiliband" Confused

https://bsky.app/profile/joshgabbatiss.bsky.social/post/3mpntrsgedc27
As the Conservatives post this, it's worth knowing that right-wing newspapers have printed 230 editorials criticising Ed Miliband since Labour won the election in 2024.

A petition! oh my god. The horror! The horror!

The performative nonsense of it all.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 02/07/2026 14:51

SerendipityJane · 02/07/2026 11:08

Someone really has it in for Reform. Ever since Restore became "a thing".

I can only guess that seeing the grift that can be made from the politics of hate, everybody now wants a piece of the action. It's like "AI". FOMO.

Is there room for another "Re-" themed political party ?

Renew ?
Rebalance ?
Replay ?

Reject
Recoil
Reflux

placemats · 02/07/2026 15:05

DuncinToffee · 02/07/2026 13:13

The Tories have started a petition 'Stop Ed Miiliband" Confused

https://bsky.app/profile/joshgabbatiss.bsky.social/post/3mpntrsgedc27
As the Conservatives post this, it's worth knowing that right-wing newspapers have printed 230 editorials criticising Ed Miliband since Labour won the election in 2024.

So the Tories are crying out for stability, despite when they were in power (who remembers 40 more education secretaries), yet set up a petition to further destabilise. Have I got that right?

TemperanceWest · 02/07/2026 15:15

Why do they hate Ed so much?

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