'Arm the Dolls'

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Pictured is Natacha Kennedy of Goldsmiths.

T shirt says 'Arm the Dolls'

But gender dysphoria is not required to be 'trans' or to undertake cosmetic surgery or synthetic hormones

Who told you it’s not required to take hormones or have surgery? Distress is a core part of the diagnosis for treatment from the NHS and regulated private providers. No surgeon is doing gender-affirming surgery without psychological sign-off confirming distress and gender dysphoria.

There is no requirement to have a diagnosis of gender disphoria to take hormones / have surgery

I’m sorry but repeating it without citation doesn’t make it true.

From the NHS webpage on gender dysphoria (important bit highlighted)

Treatment for gender dysphoria and incongruence

If you have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria or incongruence, there are different treatments available.
Treatment for adults
If you're aged 18 or over, treatment may include:

• hormone therapy
• voice and communication therapy
• talking therapy and counselling
• surgery to change parts of the body (gender reassignment surgery)

That's not true of other countries or private operators.

I've still not had an answer to 'So what is presenting in a feminine way?'

And no one has ever been able to explain to me why womanface is okay, indeed, stunning and brave, but blackface is wrong.

Well I’m talking about the UK because most conversations concern the UK here…

All that says is that those things are available if you have dysphoria. Not that they aren't privately if you don't. Just that the state is unlikely to pay which I don't think it should anyway.

And no one has ever been able to explain to me why womanface is okay, indeed, stunning and brave, but blackface is wrong.
Because anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see they are obviously very different.

You’re also not getting surgery privately in the UK without gender dysphoria. Maybe it should be available without a diagnosis though as you say it’s purely cosmetic so should be treated just like any other cosmetic procedure.

Endometriosis is a real medical condition but instead of treatment, women are dismissed, ignored or told to take over the counter pain relievers.

Perhaps men with Gender dysphoria should be dismissed, ignored or told to take a couple of paracetamol.

Equality? don’t make me laugh.

AI reads that women ….wait an average of 8 years for a diagnosis, often being told by doctors that their pain is "all in their head”

Pain in men's heads is SO much more important. Especially men who feel they are special.

I don't see how anyone could argue against this. It's a bag o' shite, but this is where we are. Alternative explanations? I'm not seeing any.

Trans men also exist and access medical treatment for gender dysphoria…

You do realise the NHS aren’t just handing out hormones and surgery like candy, right? The wait times at some gender clinics are literal decades based on the rate they are seeing new patients. If I got referred to an NHS clinic when I started my transition nearly 6 years ago I’d likely still be waiting for a first appointment. Instead I had to pay for private hormones and SRS.

Just because your experience is bad it doesn’t mean you need to wish it on another group.

How many adults are referred to gender clinics and do not get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria / incongruence?

Is it possible that Eddie Izzard would be diagnosed as a cross dresser and not GD? Is the fact that he cross dresses enough to get a diagnosis of GD?

Thankfully, I don’t have endo, but if I did, I’d be waiting 8+ years for a diagnosis whereas men with Gender confusion, get a rapid diagnosis. They’re not told ‘it’s all in their heads’

btw…it’s not SRS it’s GRS. Your biology isn’t reassigned.

What rapid diagnosis are you talking about? Did you not read what I said about NHS gender clinic waiting times?

edit: I prefer SRS. I reassigned sex characteristics

You can ask your GP to refer you to a Talking Therapy Clinic. You can even refer yourself.

You didn’t change your sex characteristics.
Some might actually be a little unkind and say all you did was mutilate your external genitalia.
🙂

Of course it’s a ‘thing’ when we’ve been discussing the initial acceptance of how gender confused people are treated better than a woman with symptoms of endometriosis. Women are generally ignored.

Tsk tsk… such unladylike language 😂

Why? They are both appropriations of the physical reality that another group of people is born into whether they like it or not, and for which those people are often discriminated against.
Neither being black nor being female is a costume to put on, no matter how desperate somebody is to wear it, and no matter what lengths they go to in pursuit of it.

Most people being referred to a gender clinics are not also getting referrals to talk therapy. And even if they do, it’s largely pointless and in no way actually treating the underlying distress. For that you have to wait anywhere from 8 years to decades for a first appointment at a gender clinic. Women with endometriosis and transgender people are both being severely let down by the NHS.

Tsk tsk… such unladylike language 😂
I said respectfully, and women can swear just as well as men 🙂

So no links?

Gosh. Didn’t a poster by the name of MedicalConsensus claim that there was decades of research and not produce any either? What is it about people claiming that there has been decades of research yet nothing linked up.

Please link the research that shows lasting mental health improvement for surgery and hormone treatment. Because surely that is the outcome that we should be considering?

To be fair:

There's no such thing as Talking Therapy for the trans condition. Literally, the only current treatment for it is transition. There are simply no talking therapists out there who would know how to deal with a patient who wouldn't want to transition but would still want relief from their dysphoria. I imagine that the closest they could do would be to treat it like body dysmorphia, not gender dysphoria specifically.

Gender surgery lacks the intent to do harm to qualify (at least morally) as mutilation. Some devastating surgeries are routinely carried out for "good" reasons, and are rarely described as mutilations, such as all surgeries related to cancers, for example.

Because anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see they are obviously very different.

Says the man wearing womanface!

For the benefit of those without two brain cells to rub together please can you explain why putting on womanface is obviously very different to wearing blackface?