Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Maybe Polanski should have paid his council tax first before making this donation?

But it won't be close in the end. When it appears that Labour and Reform stay neck and neck, Green and LD voters will en masse switch to Labour, probably some Tory voters too.
At the GE as well, Reform will probably average 35% all over the UK, but score plenty of second places.

The Manchester election is being done with a form of Alternative Vote. So you could just vote Greens and have Labour as backup so it is devastating if the First votes are big for Labour. When days ZP was saying this:

Manchester mayor race direct fight between Greens and Reform, claims Zack Polanski

https:/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/manchester-mayor-race-greens-reform-zack-polanski-b1286867.html

I think Labour will win round 1 very well then get even more votes in round 2.

The result in 2028/9 is going to depend on whether Burnham goes for a different voting system. I agree if FPTP is maintained I think a Reform win is very likely though I wouldn't like to guess at the breakdown right now.

You mean the GE result in 28/29, or Manchester locally?
Once left voters see there's momentum in tactically voting for the left party most likely to oust Reform, I can see those second places rack up for Farage.

@womendeserveequalhumanrights I can only conclude the Green Party is filled with dimwits and misogynists. That's the only possible explanation.

Well, we knew that already.

Dennis Noel Kavanagh

Funny how quiet the Green Party are being on the Conversion Practices Bill. I suspect some of the more religious members may have some issues with it.

Well, quite!

These people are on a different planet. Which normal resident anywhere in UK who owns where they live, thinks they somehow don't need to pay council tax?
And this is the guy who thinks he should have a major say in how the country is run, set our taxes.
We are absolutely cursed with the worst political class, entitled and incompetent.

Greens still seem to be doing well in London. But then Hackney and Haringey are likely strongholds

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/council-byelection-results-hackney-haringey-ealing-green-party-labour-b1287719.html

Very interesting the fact this has been placed in the Guardian makes me think this is part of a move by the leadership against the Mothin faction in advance of the potential zionist drama at conference.

Greens examining how party decides policy as membership triples under Zack Polanski
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/28/greens-examining-how-party-decides-policy-as-membership-triples-under-zack-polanski

Things are going to get very interesting in the Greens..

Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett Criticizes Supreme Court Ruling on Definition of Woman in Times Radio Interview

Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett says the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of woman “doesn’t keep women safe”. “Trans women are women, and they face higher risk of sexual violence than most.”

Footage:
https://nitter.net/TimesRadio/status/2071578542752625082

She is very keen to avoid the question.

It is interesting that she won't come outright and say that transwomen should use women's single sex spaces. The TRAs won't be happy with her.

It's amazing, isn't it. She uses circular language against women, and circular language to evade saying biological men should access women's spaces.
To choose a hill to die on where you spit in the face of women, but avoid fully admitting to the thing that leads you to letting women down, is a marvel of obfuscation.
The slicing of the onion is getting thinner and thinner.

I struggle to imagine the chaos tbh. Almost worth rejoining just to watch it play out.

A lot to juggle like who are those pesky women exactly. It is difficult not to advocate breaking the law. The other issue is she relies on the votes of a lot of ethnic minority voters especially Muslims.

The Greens are digging themselves into a hole.

Janet Murray

Oof. This TimesRadio interview with Green Party Mayor of Hackney Zoe Garbett is pure second-hand embarrassment. When pushed, she says trans women in Hackney should be able to use women's spaces. But she spends most of the interview trying not to actually say that. Presumably because she knows the legal and political difficulties with doing so. Instead, she deflects to domestic violence, claims the Supreme Court ruling doesn't protect women, and repeats that "trans women are women" and face high levels of sexual violence. None of which engage with the substance of the question - or the law.

I do recommend the Garbett interview in audio.

The pauses and hesitation are very interesting and don't translate in type.

Starts at 5.13, if the timestamp doesn't work.

Probably of more interest to the Your Party thread, but ex Corbyn supporting news site Canary (rivals of hated Skwawkbox against the Tory mainstream corporate media that IS Novara 😂) have been "debanked"

https://nitter.net/TheCanaryUK/status/2071930062715195608#m

Oh, dear.

The Canary may be a bunch of pricks, but debanking media is potentially worrying.

I agree. I bet they made fun of Farage and others complaining about though.

The first person I heard about being debunked was through a thread on MN, she was a National Front type and, iirc, wasn't getting much sympathy. I mentioned her in one of the threads about Farage getting debunked. Now this.

However unsympathetic these people and organisations are it wasn't right then, it isn't right now. Although I'm allowing myself a smirk because the Canary published an article claiming 'cancelling' wasn't a thing.

I had a quick look to see what they'd said about Farage getting debunked, but htey have published so fuckin many pieces on him that I gave up equally quickly.

Banks typically freeze accounts when there is suspected fraud or other criminal activity e.g. sanctions busting. The bank cannot tell the individual the details of why the account is frozen because that would tip off the criminals that the authorities are on to them.

Although in Farage's case Coutts closed his account in part due to his views being considered incompatible with the bank's "values or purpose".

The bank's own documents, released when Farage made a subject access request, said as much.

Although in Farage's case Coutts closed his account in part because he was no longer a high net worth individual. This was before he received the £5 million bung from the crypto billionaire of course