Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Some gender clinics did similar to Webberly when they were banned from prescribing cross sex hormones to children. Recorded girls as being boys with low testosterone in their medical records so they could continue giving them cross sex hormones.

Some gender clinics did similar to Webberly when they were banned from prescribing cross sex hormones to children. Recorded girls as being boys with low testosterone in their medical records so they could continue giving them cross sex hormones.

In the UK? Link to evidence please. If true this would be illegal & professional suicide for the HCPs involved.

Reports I saw were in the US.

Ah, OK. Thanks for follow-up.

Yes, US for the ones I saw. Largely because of insurance rules that covered 'hormone deficiency' but not transition.

I've seen articles about hospitals being forced to set up detransition services because they'd committed medical insurance fraud. Perhaps it was due to shenanigans like this?

Here's a fun game for a Friday morning.

If the opening post is:

"Driving home from work tonight to the main news stories on the radio being 1) man tortures adopted baby to death and 2) man arrested after child ends up in crocodile enclosure at zoo.I am absolutely sick of the daily onslaught of problematic men, monsters, committing outrages.

That’s all, no suggestions, just AIBU to be sickened by this constant stream of beasts who live amongst us (Gisele Pelicot’s husband, recent terrorist attacks, daily murders of women by men) combined with personal experiences of men who ‘you wouldn’t have thought it to look at him’ turning out to be sex pests and paedophiles is putting me right off them as a sex class. Not your man, not your son, not my (lovely) Dad, but all the other men… how do we know which ones?

Its hard not to conclude it’s a man problem."

Can you guess the first reply?

NAMALT? Prosaic, I know.

Women do it too?

Think that was relegated to the second reply…

Kucinghitam has it.

Astoundingly, it took 10 posts to get a mild 'not all men' - and even that was mostly agreeing with the original point.

The usual responses all make an appearance somewhere. It's here, if you wish to check your guesses: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5544134-not-all-men-but-always-men?page=1

As a general observation of how gender is so often a burden upon women, in recent weeks I have noted a number of threads where the OP either provides a service (or is asked to provide a service) and wishes to not provide said service. And there's always a large contingent of posters who I am quite sure are all women, who lay heavily and with great persistence into the OP, generally with very emotionally manipulative language, to provide said service and sometimes to provide even greater amounts of service.

And I always think to myself that the choice of words used, the emotive pressure, the type of guilt-tripping, would never be directed at a man.

Maybe I'm wrong?

I've just read that there has been a court ruling that Scottish prisons must accept and follow the law, in that transw must not be held in the women's estate. Sorry, I can't seem to link on my phone.

There's at least one thread @SinnerBoy the First Minister went on record yesterday to say it's all terribly complicated. I think they'll be even more foot dragging. The judge mentioned that 'risk of suicide' could be a reason for putting men who claim ladybrain in with women. I think that was raised just to be dismissed but I wouldn't be surprised if tras, like him, try to use it to maintain the status quo.

They can ask to be placed in solitary confinement for their own good. There is apparently a wing in one women’s prison in England I think where they house the male trans prisoners. I don’t see why that has to be in the women’s estate.

The wing in the women's prison (Downview?) seems to be separate sleeping accommodation for the most part. The men are free to mix with women prisoners the rest of the time; meals, classes, etc. They were supposed to be accompanied at all times by a prison officer, one on one. This has been abandoned because they didn't have the staff. I don't know what they do for toilets, bathing and changing. I'm sure I remember a court case about this, but there's been so many I'm not sure. If anyone else can cast some light?

i think FDJ v Ministry of Justice was the failed judicial review - the female prisoner FDJ who brought the case had been sexually assaulted because she was at Downview and they mixed with the TIMs.

Hi @SinnerBoy did you see your name was mentioned in the employment tribunal Tempest v Rural Payments Agency- there’s a thread in FWR. One of your posts upset the claimant.

Really? What did I say?

I don’t know but it’s probably in his witness statement

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5546841-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-follow-on-from-chair-of-seen-is-being-sued?reply=153157410&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Hopefully I got the c&p right so it takes you direct to the relevant post…

@SinnerBoy Something in an old mumsnet thread - it will be linked from somewhere in the current thread. This man is very easily upset, the mere existence of a thread in which some people mentioned working in the same department upsets him.

Edit to say that while the garden is growing chair of SEEN sued for saying only women menstruate will find a garden with space for extra plants.

I think it's this bit. I've had to do a c&p

This is bizarre: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2026/06/23/so-your-daughter-wants-to-study-science-at-university-first-take-a-reality-check/

(Quite apart from the fact it appears to have been written by AI, which I wouldn't expect of a major newspaper.)

Don't do science because you might get sexually harassed while doing a postdoc (like it doesn't happen in any other setting), and - if you take one of the many and varied career paths available, very definitely not the only or even primary one - it takes time to reach the top of the profession (no shit, Sherlock).