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Boyfriend strange with money

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

OP posts:
Seajaye · Today 06:27

I think this thrifty/mean/stingy trait is deeply entrenched in him and he is totally blind to it's impact on other people feelings, because he can only see costs not impact. He won't change. He is sulking as well. I think your generous nature, and trying to convince yourself that he has other redeeming features has resulted in your you trying to compromise your needs and values . I think the underlying issue is that you feel you are being taken for granted and that your values and his values are not aligned. Not everything should be about money and the cost of everything but he is making it so, and I bet the so called 50:50 sharing of costs of dates, or taking in turns to pay, mutual gifting to each other, always works out slightly in his favour, and always will. Don't keep make excuses for him and let the signs he displays tell you what any future with him would hold. You know deep down he isn't the right person for you.

KitsyWitsy · Today 06:28

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:57

Made me howl. It is truly crap hahaa

Why did you laugh? It wasn't just crap it was deliberately stingy. It's one thing when a man gets it wrong but actually does spend some money, but this wasn't the case. My ex couldn't be trusted going off list for presents as he wasted so much money on stuff I didnt want or need but he wasn't mean with money at all.

AttilaTheMeerkat · Today 06:32

Mean with money and mean with love . He is also a poor example to your kids. Ask yourself why you at all chose him to date as your boundaries are off here.

Mrspatmoresapprentice · Today 06:34

You are not compatible and most people would be put off by this level of miserly behaviour. In fact the only couple I know of where it works are both equally as tight as each other so obviously see it as a positive quality.
Get rid, i know exactly what you mean about it feeling awkward and uncomfortable. Also, men like this are also often….stingy in bed, it’s all one way? Yuck.
This is who he is and it doesn’t work for you. Move on.

Barney16 · Today 06:35

Two things would make me dump him. Socks and the hot water bottle. That's it really.

Gateappreciation · Today 06:36

Barney16 · Today 06:35

Two things would make me dump him. Socks and the hot water bottle. That's it really.

Yes.

Pipsquiggle · Today 06:37

@Midfortiescamb
I don't think you are financially compatible.
He sounds stingy, having said that, he doesn't earn that much so could be stressed out and paranoid about it, exacerbated by you saying 'let's not do presents'

I think it would be useful to both of you to find out which 'love language' you are. It's an easy 5 min test that's free online. I found it very useful in my relationship with my DH, funnily enough, neither of us are that bothered about presents/gifts. I like receiving compliments, he likes 'acts of service' essentially helping with tasks.
Could be eye opening for both of you

Scenicgirl · Today 06:41

Run, very fast!
I am constantly amazed why some women allow themselves to be treated in this way. How can having a tight, mean man, like this enhance your life? Have some pride in yourself and dump him, and don't spare his feelings if he asks why. You deserve better and being alone is far more preferable to putting up with this waste of space.

BreatheAndFocus · Today 06:43

Yep, he’s a selfish, mean man who sees any money not spent on himself as money wasted. My ex was (and is) the same. He too did the card shuffling. I found out why later and I suspect your partner is doing the same. Mine got paid, took a massive chunk of that and put it in a separate account, then used his now almost empty current account. He could then say he had no money - which was true in the current account - while hoarding his money in a separate account.

He did the stingy meals thing too. I took him to a lovely restaurant where we had a 3 course meal and he cheekily ordered expensive wine because it was his birthday. Then for my birthday, he took me out grudging to a bloody cafe and bought me a sandwich!!!!!

Dump this selfish, self-centred man!

TheBlueKoala · Today 06:44

@Midfortiescamb I am so embarrassed for him. He's 47 y old for christ's sake! My autistic very rigid DS16 is very careful about never taking advantage of anyone. He won't let anyone pay for him unless they insist. And he remembers who and makes sure to invite them back. Your stingy bloke is perfectly happy to let you treat him but doesn't give back. Let him go, you deserve so much better.

YesIKnowThatThankyou · Today 06:48

£50k per annum is not £3k a month. More like £2k after deductions. But even so.
The petrol station lunch would be a deal breaker for me and viewing it as part of birthday celebrations.

Astra53 · Today 06:50

He's tighter than a duck's arse and that's watertight!

I could not be with someone stingy. It's not about how much money they have, it's about attitude and enjoyment to life. This is just depressing. I think you may need to part company over this, or face a miserly, miserable future with him.

localnotail · Today 06:51

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:19

Brilliantly said. Thank you for being so straight. What should my standards be? I had an abusive ex husband, I am in therapy so can actively focus on this.

Your partner, as a minimum, should match your generosity and trust. Think to yourself - what kind of mindset would make you not want to treat someone you love, or think you have to guard your money from them (which is, essentially, what he is doing).

He is mean, tight and sounds entirely unpleasant, and this is only going to get worse.

GaIadriel · Today 06:51

Hmm, I don't like people that sweat it over the small stuff but it does kinda sound like you want him to pay. That's the only other alternative unless you're happy to fork out yourself which doesn't sound to be the case. Once one person starts paying for everything this usually sets the precedent so perhaps he is wary of establishing this as the modus operandi.

Meteorite87 · Today 06:54

EDITED: Hadn't read all of OP's updates 🤐

@Midfortiescamb
£200 pcm for his own children seems paltry on his income of £50,000.

To hear someone you spend hours with tallying the cost of everything out loud could be annoying merely at an "acquaintance" level. His attitude as a whole then his response to your tactful explanations could give anyone the ick.

REMINDER: You don't owe him anything
(pun intended)

NoSausage · Today 06:55

It's selfishness.

I almost lol-ed at parts of your post because its so unusual: a hot water that he has budgeted for on a 50k salary and 12 months notice, a half price hike...

But actually its quite sinister:

  • Kids he sees infrequently and pays the minimum for while slagging off his ex wife and painting her as controlling (bad men love that one)
  • an ex whose version of the truth chimes with your experience
  • a man that plays on your feelings by criying and then freezing you out to change your behaviour
  • a man who wants to be housed at your expense (I think I remember your last post- didnt he want you to sell and buy a bigger house, with you putting in most of the equity and him owning half?)

You sound lovely, honestly, why do you want any man, never mind a substandard one? If you were dating yourself you'd be going to a cottage in Wales.

Whereas you and his kids all get the bare minimum from him in terms of time and care, all of it self serving so that he meets the absolute minimum criteria to make you all doubt yourselves and think he isn't all bad and is "trying". He's not. He's trying to do the bare minimum for others to reap the benefits for himself. Breadwinners ex. Minimum contact to still be a regular(ish) dad that puts (portioned) food on the table and pays the minimum child allowance (but apparently pays for therapy - doubtful) and tried cuckooing a bigger house without the effort or cost. Loser.

Mindtheagp · Today 06:57

I’m so glad you didn’t let him move in. You’d have never have got him out. Gods luck with moving on, he’s miserly and joyless and mean to his own kids

Elsvieta · Today 07:01

Midfortiescamb · Today 00:03

Not just a hike: I didn't have to pay half for petrol that time or petrol station lunch! I just don't get why he wept when I told him it was shit.

Don't you? Seems simple enough: a manipulation technique, to get you to put up and shut up.

MyEasterBonnet · Today 07:02

It just sounds like he’s skint. You said to him you’re not after his money, but he doesn’t sound like he has any. £50k isn’t much for a recently divorced person living alone and buying a house. He should be prioritising giving more money to his children over takeaways and restaurants though. If you’re wanting someone to take you out more and spend more money on you, this isn’t him.

lemonsqueezymissy · Today 07:02

I’d hate this too OP. It’s not so much about how much money he spends but about having a generous nature, taking joy in sharing and spoiling the other person. I grew up in a house without much money but always had generosity instilled in me - if there was an opportunity to give something away or help someone in worse circumstances then we always did it. I love it - it’s so lovely to be able to go the extra mile with people.

But as a PP said, being a miser with money is often ‘baked in’ and very hard to unpick. I have a couple of very ‘mean’ relatives and I wonder if it’s a type of hoarding. They only feel ‘safe’ if they have cash stashed away and for that reason, they always wait for someone else to pay or everything has to be split ‘fairly’, all so they can add to their feeling of faux ‘safety’.

It’s so utterly joyless and if he can’t see it’s an issue at 47, it’s not going to get better.

Rosesandthorns66 · Today 07:03

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · Yesterday 23:08

He's stingy, and that's baked in. Probably a visceral childhood thing.

You won't be able to change it, if that's what you're hoping for.

Either accept it or leave.

And the more you accept it, btw, the worse the stinginess will get and more oppressive it will become to you.

This.
Its ingrained, he won't change. If you were living together it would be more obvious and irritating. It most likely is due to his upbringing. It's something to do with financial insecurity and he just doesn't feel comfortable with over spending.

You both have a different outlook on money, the relationship won't work, you will always be feeling like this.

Midfortiescamb · Today 07:03

AlbieJiggered · Today 01:03

How much did the socks cost?

Less than £20

OP posts:
HortiGal · Today 07:06

Being tight is an awful mindset; ducks the joy out of everything, tell him it's done.

Housebashing · Today 07:06

YesIKnowThatThankyou · Today 06:48

£50k per annum is not £3k a month. More like £2k after deductions. But even so.
The petrol station lunch would be a deal breaker for me and viewing it as part of birthday celebrations.

£50,000 gross salary in the UK leaves you with an estimated annual take-home pay of £39,520 (roughly £3,293 per month or £760 per week

Housebashing · Today 07:07

He’s also not paying the correct child support if he’s only paying £200 a month, he should be paying £10,000 a year pre-tax.