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Boyfriend strange with money

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Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

OP posts:
Cherrytree86 · Today 13:26

Dump him, OP, he’s a prick

chaosmaker · Today 13:28

@Midfortiescamb I'd have dumped him, he does sound controlling over money.

user1471538283 · Today 13:32

It is true that people spend money and time on people they care about. He does neither for you. He sounds exhausting.

He was quick enough to think he could move in to save himself money!

It's not even about money it's about generosity of spirit.

Knock this on the head unless you want the rest of your life to be a squabble about money and disappointment.

GimmieABreakOr3 · Today 13:33

Maybe he’s autistic ? Financial issues??
doesn’t sound like a happy relationship
id cut ties

ConverselyAttired · Today 13:37

PetulaGordeno · Today 12:53

It is rare to find these people as a couple? They often want to mooch off someone who is generous.

Nope. She married a tightwad - they both earn well in accounting these days but never eat out, don't own a car and will only camp/hike for holidays. Seems to work for them.

Housebashing · Today 13:38

indigox · Today 13:03

It doesn't just stop at birthdays/anniversaries/christmas though does it? Even removing those the issue doesn't go away. So why even cut those out to appease him when his attitude infiltrates everything, living together would be impossible, he'll be monitoring your electricity use and proposing splitting the bills in ways that benefit him.

I will never forget going on a date with a guy once he told me that he was annoyed with his ex-wife because she left on they electric airer overnight and that could cost 6p per minute in electricity
My vagina clamped shut there and then

ButtonMoonLoon · Today 13:53

He's buying you a flipping hot water bottle for your birthday?
During the summer- when (in my area, at least) we're in the midst of a heatwave!!
You deserve so much better than this.

CherryViper · Today 14:07

People have different resources. I could not be with someone mean in spirit, emotion or money.

We have always had separate money. We both have the same amount and share. I wouldn't have it any other way.

You haven't wasted your time. You gave it a red hot go and have a better idea for next time. You deserve to give your time and energy to someone willing to meet you halfway and meet you with the same kindness and energy.

Good luck 💜

Julimia · Today 14:07

Oh my goodness couldn't be doing with all this about the c ost of things. Either uou buy presents or you don't
The cost is not the recipients problem. The cost should be nothing to do with how he values you which it clearly os st thr moment.

WildPine · Today 14:07

He needs therapy and has massive unacknowledged issues here.

You are constantly feeling you have to adapt yourself, change your behaviour, lower expectations, bite your tongue, tread on eggshells around him - which means you’re not able to fully be yourself and that’s not healthy for a relationship.

I think you should leave and also suggest he seeks a course of counselling.

SqueakyFromme · Today 14:09

he is a despicable man, depriving his children, he is repulsive OP how could you be with a man like that

Imaginary86 · Today 14:12

I would find this hard, has he got debts? It sounds like you are more generous than him. If he’s on 50k he surely would be paying more than £200 a month

PetulaGordeno · Today 14:12

Carrie516 · Today 13:12

Thank you, so hopefully you can see this as my reply!

Yep! You’re in!

GreenCandleWax · Today 14:24

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:19

Brilliantly said. Thank you for being so straight. What should my standards be? I had an abusive ex husband, I am in therapy so can actively focus on this.

Holding yourself in enough respect to acknowledge your own needs and feelings. Then gauge them against normal social expectations and draw boundary lines about what is and isn't enough or is too much for you. In the case of this relationship, normal happy social interactions with a mate or partner are not being met because he is so stingy. And for you personally, who is generous yourself, and wants romantic signs of affection, these are lacking. Listen to your own wishes and needs and intuition, and say this is "Not good enough for me", then act. Don't try and rationalize your way out of feeling what you feel. 🌺

Sorehandsandfeet · Today 14:26

As an autistic mother of two autistic children, child of an autistic father, I just want to say that being autistic does not mean that you have an excuse for being abusive in any way. Yes, autistic people often like to have control as unpredictable environments can be difficult, but they can also be told that their behaviour is unacceptable and pulled up on that. This man has called his ex financially abusive although it is he who has shown himself to be. He is able to charge op for petrol for his car and then not charge her 'as a treat' for her birthday. He is able to cry and then go cold as punishment for her calling him out. Whether he is autistic or not, the OP does not deserve this treatment.

Fair enough if money is tight, but this goes beyond this. To pick up a Chinese for himself only is selfish. If it were a matter of cost, he could've made something cheap at home to ensure his partner was fed too.

OP please just run.

ImpracticalMagic · Today 14:30

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:39

Thank you very much. That means a lot. My children are my world and I have a wonderful career in medicine caring for patients. He just sent me a cold message saying we need to talk but not tonight, I said not for a while thanks! I'm going to focus on my babies and patients. Just sad I introduced them to him and they will need to see another break up.

The ridiculous stinginess aside, he comes across as quite manipulative & likes to paint himself as the victim. The going quiet & cold, the "we need to talk, but not tonight" to leave you stewing & chasing after him (thank goodness you didn't), the crying when called out on his crap gifting, instead of you just accepting it all, so that you will lower your standards in order to keep the peace. Everything is his ex wife's fault.... even though he pays the minimum for his kids & only sees them every other weekend. I'm not surprised he was keen to move in with you! You really deserve better (with someone else!).

momtoboys · Today 14:35

I'm sorry your ex was abusive. That must be very hard to get over. Please don't waste any more of your life on someone that does not treat you the way you deserve to be treated.

DeadBug · Today 14:38

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:19

Brilliantly said. Thank you for being so straight. What should my standards be? I had an abusive ex husband, I am in therapy so can actively focus on this.

You sound lovely op, but you definitely have to raise your standards.
I wouldn't have gone near a man that won't pay for his own children ( I can't work out how it could possibly be only £200 ish pm maintenance?).
Apart from that, anyone who comes around with a take out just for themselves should be turned out immediately. No question 😂.
The rest is irrelevant because it shouldn't have got that far.

My10centsworth · Today 14:38

I had an extremely tight boyfriend in my 20s. He was kind and handsome and funny, he earned really well but the tight-fistedness and pettiness around money was so unattractive. Everything was always 'I paid last time, so you have to pay now'. I understand that he didn't want to be taken advantage of but it really seemed like he keep a log book. We once went to a NYE party in my best friend's house-they had kegs of beer, bottles of beer, wine, spirits and an abundance of food and it was amazing but my BF took back the bottle of spirits that he had brought as they 'probably won't need it'. Once you see someone for the scabby git that they are, you can unsee it. I was single before the week was out. I occasionally see him and it is nice to catch up but I do wonder how his wife puts up with it. Hard pass.

TaupeFinch · Today 14:44

Midfortiescamb · Yesterday 23:00

My boyfriend is confusing me. Been together about 1.5 years, both 47, divorced. I have three kids, shared custody, he has two who are 15 and 12 and he sees every other weekend. He's lovely with my kids and easy to be around, bit over chatty but fine. He's generally kind and patient and has gotten over pushing us to live together which was driven by the fact that he hates paying rent but has now put an offer in on buying his own house. There's a money issue though and I've tried to be fair and patient...on our first date he didn't take his card out to pay, so I did and he later said he liked that I didn't expect him to pay (I didn't tbh but told myself why should the man pay). He paid for our second date in a simple Vietnamese place but I could feel his tension shuffling his cards choosing which one. But he was sweet so we carried on. Our first road trip he drove so I offered petrol money, he accepted and from then on it was clear I'd pay half for petrol. Meals were always split. I spoiled him as I like to on his bday in a lovely restaurant and gifts etc. On my bday he got me a pair of earrings on sale on Etsy which were pretty and took me to a restaurant but tensely said 'is this the kind of place you get starters' so I obviously said no need and only got a cheap main. He told me the other part of my gift was he'd take me for a hike and I wouldn't have to pay half for petrol. He cried a bit the next morning after I was honest after he asked me were the gifts not good and I gently said that petrol thing wasn't really normal. A few weeks later when he said he wanted to see me so would go to his fave Chinese on the way and bring it to mine without offering to get me some I calmly told him I'm struggling with this constant splitting of things, he should trust that I'm not after his money and I took him out to celebrate his new job etc. I am a generous person. To make up for the bday he bought me flowers but mentioned how they're good value in Morrissons, where they were from. Fast forward to this bday coming up in two weeks...I was honestly so nervous about him spoiling it so I booked myself a cottage in Wales for a couple of days and it hurt him but I told him to please not take it personally. My ex husband upset me on my bdays and I could do with a couple of days to myself but really, I know boyfriend isn't good at romance and I couldn't face another awkward meal. Anyway, twice over the last few weeks he has mentioned how he budgeted for my present (a hot water bottle) last month so this month he's budgeting for the meal. He earns £50k and only gives his ex wife the amount the child support calculator asks of him which is around £200 ish per month, he says because she gets children's allowance: not my business but I do think kids cost more and his daughter is autistic so needs therapy. Anyway, he then asked whether I want to go to the restaurants i took him to on my bday, I said, please - you choose. He said 'I'll just take you to the one you took me to'. I said to him, my love, please can we just not do bdays, anniversaries, Xmas (he got me a five pack of socks)...let's free ourselves, there's something awkward/tense with money and its making me uncomfortable, feeling like work/burden. He got very upset and said he couldn't feel more hurt or empty and is now not really talking to me! Its been 2 days. I told him he'd never expressed any kind of excitement about my bday and I just don't want this heaviness. There are just so many money orientated odd things...like he bought me pink salt and I said it was lovely and he said '£1'. I know his ex wife said he was controlling about money but he said she expected him to be the bread winner and was financially abusive: obviously I don't know the full story. It all just feels so awkward and I don't like how he's gone cold. Otherwise he's very affectionate and sweet....not selfish in bed but a bit predictable. Anyway....thoughts?

Have you asked him what's behind the excessive money management?

I think that sharing how it's making you feel and the impact it is having is really fair and It sounds like a solid decision to remove gift giving.

Perhaps he is in debit and feels unable to share what's really going on for him, but he if he is having to budget for a hot water bottle, then life sounds quite tough.

It would be useful he can open up to you or find someone who he can talk to, maybe the Samaritans or step change if he is in debt.

It sounds quite clinical but might be useful to spend some time thinking about what you would like from a relationship (not necessarily this one). People rarely tick all the boxes, but are the important things being met?

If they're and you can find out what's really going on for him perhaps there is space to reconnect and move forward.

I hope it works out how you want it to :-)

Bridesmaidorexfriend · Today 14:46

You’re obviously just not comparable. I worry that if I was ever in a new relationship this is how I’d be now lol.

When I first met my DW she lavished gifts of birthdays and Christmas. I reciprocated and we both ended up getting in to debt, (our own fault, we were young and stupid) a few years in we looked around and we had a house full of expensive gadgets and stuff that were never used. We sold it all and we’ve scaled right back on presents now. I’m completely disillusioned with gift giving now, both guessing what the other wants, spending equal amount of money so no one gets resentful. We could just keep our money and spend it on whatever we actually want. As my DW was so much more thoughtful than me and I struggled to get her presents as I grew up in a house where half your presents were practical things, she hates practical presents lol.

Anyway, not the point, but I probably would want things to be split and fair, especially as it sounds like it’s not just that he’s tight, he sounds skint. He’s just bought a house, having to pick a card that had money in the restaurant etc.

But I get it is not sitting well with you so you need someone who has the same mentality as you, spoiling each other. He may need someone a bit more pragmatic

Tocyprusornot · Today 14:47

You’re worth more than socks op.

KookyPeachScroller · Today 14:50

He is sounding more and more on the spectrum as I think about it. He will need to be told what you expect for presents - he can’t think beyond practicality and then it’s his idea of practicality. He earns a decent wage and meals shouldn’t have to be split all the time. Extravagance isn’t his thing but he needs clear instructions on what is for you.
He is definitely not ready to live with OP. It could be nice to pursue but you will have to make the issues clear. I personally can say having each your own space can be a lifesaver at times.

Greenwriter76 · Today 14:50

I do think he has a money issue - but your love languages are obviously different too. You like to spoil people in a monetary way, he doesn’t place value on that. You won’t change him.

bigboykitty · Today 14:51

Greenwriter76 · Today 14:50

I do think he has a money issue - but your love languages are obviously different too. You like to spoil people in a monetary way, he doesn’t place value on that. You won’t change him.

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What do you think his love language is then?

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