AIBU to think King Charles comes across as a really crap dad?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77yykl87yno

I mean really, this is just pathetic. No one is believing that KC couldn’t find a spare bed for his son. AIBU to think that as the parent KC needs to get a grip and grow up instead of just fuelling the drama?

I think it looks very poor on KC and Buckingham Palace.

Charles was away from Clarence House, his staff will have gone with him so the same problem exists for Clarence House as Buckingham Palace. Staff would still have to be brought in and/or moved around. Security would have to be even tighter, this is Charles' home. To do this you need to know if someone is actually staying.

What, that they use a staff rota, that they prepare accommodation, that they use proper security procedures?
How many times? Harry was offered accommodation and he turned it down. Fine.
Then he changed his mind. He's a 41 year old wealthy man, why should KC molly coddle him?
Extraordinary.
At some point, Harry is going to have to learn to take responsibility for what he does.

I think it looks very poor on KC and Buckingham Palace.

Why? Harry is a grown man. He's capable of arranging his own accommodation in a city he knows well. He doesn't need his elderly father to do it for him.

And if I was Camilla, I wouldn't have him in Clarence House.

Yes, imagine thinking that you can lie about people, totally trash them for money but - oh- they should treat me well and indulge my whim!
Ludicrous.

Would Harry even want to go to Clarence House with it being where Camilla lives?

And what is your response to the Windsors protecting , chipping in for legal fees etc and housing Andrew?

The UK looks terrible and it’s squarely as a result of the behaviour of this petty, vindictive family .

Harry has done nothing but leave and tell his side . We don’t know the half of what Andrew has done but royalists are not up in arms about the fact that Andrew was protected for years and is STILL protected.

Very strange attitudes from royalists - and thankfully the younger generations see through the PR and want rid.

I'm not a royalist, Andrew is a sweaty nonce and his late mother was an enabler and the UK doesn't look terrible for asking a middle aged rich man to give enough notice not to fuck the staff around.

Oh "what about Andrew" 😂😂😂
Novel. I've had plenty to say on that matter.
We're discussing Harry at the moment.

"Done nothing but leave and tell his side"
I think only the very hardline royalists believe this! Harry can do no wrong! He is a Blood Prince (curtseys) 😉

@Ukisgaslit you're the biggest royalist on here. Harry has left the UK, but expects the taxpayer to fund him, because he's royal.
He continues to expect privilege on a significant scale. He's like Louis XVI.

You think nobody is bothered about Andrew not even the police who arrested him ?

Prince Harry was entitled to leave the UK of course, but he really has to respect protocol of visiting the UK he can't just demand things or not respond to official arrangements to stay here, he can't have it both ways ! And i really can't be bothered going into his book or netflix stuff or that initial Oprah Winfrey interview, where they insisted on telling "their truth" . No wonder his family are wary of him.

@FenellaFeldman
Mocking responses say more about the poster

Try distancing all you like the facts are stark.

Andrew has been covered up for , protected , had his legal fees paid for , been moved around around the country trying to avoid papers, been photographed with Elizabeth William and Kate as a big FU to the rest of us etc

I want them all gone but the obvious tabloid campaign against anyone who leaves that mafia family is wrong . I see the tabloid lines repeated and I wonder why some cannot see the wood for the trees .

Next a royalist will be along to say ‘at least Andrew keeps his mouth shut!’

In any case these PR fumbles help reveal the truth about the Windsors so carry on I suppose

Ah , this is the rather tired tactic that has been used on the royal family board to shut down criticism of Harry for years! …we call it the ….but Andrew defence!
i admit I’ve never seen it used outside the board before!

It's not a mocking response. Read it.
I'm serious.
I'm very intrigued that people defend Harry - someone who just expects the UK taxpayer to bend to his whims.
I wasn't even joking about Louis XVI.
Harry's just living as an ultra royal.
I'm baffled that any republican can defend this man, whose entire life is about unearned privilege, status and wealth.

@Lomonald

When was Andrew arrested ?

Only once the Epstein files were internationally available . The cover up was then out of Windsor control .

Andrew had associated with Epstein for decades. Epstein was first convicted of child solicitation in 2008 .

I think this is his problem really. RF lovers don't like him because he's taken swings at the institution. But that hasn't led to corresponding support from people who don't care for the monarchy, because so much of his critique is that he isn't getting the level of royal privileges he would prefer. Harry's a royal, choosing to use a royal title, and that means a lot of the criticism that can be levelled at them also includes him.

Yes, I think that's exactly what I don't get. Harry has chosen to leave the RF and the UK. Fine. However, his entire life is about using his royalty and his unearned wealth and privilege. He expects the UK taxpayer to fund limitless top level security, when he chooses to visit. Royal accommodation has to be made available on no notice. Never mind the staff.
People who say that Harry hasn't done anything wrong, must be tolerant of this level of royal privilege.

@Ukisgaslit i really enjoy engaging with you and you know my views on AMW. He should have been prosecuted and i hope that he will be, but I still can’t see it unfortunately. I can’t see it’s just him and Mandelson.

However I’d say Harry is equally entitled, he loves those titles, as does his wife. Seriously who announces themselves to an empty room? I’ve said before and I’ll say again, I think you’ll get your wish and in 20/30 years we will no longer have a monarchy.

In the meantime, Harry has attacked the judiciary and apparently, given a pill to a female journalist, without her consent. I’d say if proven, that’s fairly damning. If AMW had done that, people would be calling for his head.

I agree. Harry isn't against the Monarchy. He is against the Monarchy having to pander to the press, being scrutinised and having fewer privileges than his predecessors. He wants a Monarchy of maybe the 1900's (possibly the 1400's) where they could basically do what they liked, the press kept their secrets, the children and grandchildren were all on the payroll forevermore and handed grace and favour accommodation. He is definitely like AMW in that respect. And that can only be because of their upbringing. To be fair, I suspect they would all love that- especially now, but they know they can't get away with it and survive, which is their only goal.
I am convinced the ' racism' accusations were Harry deliberately conflating the ' slimming down of titles to exclude those not in the LoS' and some tasteless racist sniggering because he was annoyed that his kids wouldn't get titles, and she has gone mad thinking it was because of her race. I think all this is Harry, yet the narrative is all about how evil Meghan is leading him astray.

In the meantime, Harry has attacked the judiciary and apparently, given a pill to a female journalist, without her consent. I’d say if proven, that’s fairly damning. If AMW had done that, people would be calling for his head.

What is this about?

Excellent points, @Desperatelyseekinglazysusan
I think that's exactly the problem. 👍

Thank you @Recklessismymiddlename

I want them all gone as I said above but the dissonance between the Epstein link cover up ( and I believe we should be looking at an Epstein class not just individuals) and the tabloid hounding of Harry is stark

Almost as if they are trying to build a hate figure to distract from Andrew . And speaking of entitled I was reminded the other day of Edward the meek who let slip ‘ who are the victims really’ when he was ( gently)
asked about Andrew
Very revealing about the mind set .

I’m baffled that anyone defends the Windsors with all the pedophile links associated with them . And esp now with the state of the country and their ballooning take from the tax payer .
To me Harry is revealing a lot about the mafia family called the Windsors - whether he intends to or not .

I’m just off to a meeting but I’ll try and find link for you later. But if you Google Charlotte Griffith and Prince Harry it should come up.

I'm very intrigued that people defend Harry - someone who just expects the UK taxpayer to bend to his whims.
I wasn't even joking about Louis XVI.
Harry's just living as an ultra royal.
I'm baffled that any republican can defend this man, whose entire life is about unearned privilege, status and wealth.

@FenellaFeldman

So am I, Fenella. But long experience of the MN Royal board and also glimpses into the cesspit which is 'Celebitchy' - and you'll want to bleach your eyeballs if you look at that - has taught me that rabid supporters of H & M are:

• illogical and inconsistent in their outlook - as you say, they claim to hate the RF and unearned status, but somehow venerate 2 of the biggest grifters in the history of the world.
• easily taken in by superficial things: Meghan - soap actress - smiles her performative smile and they think she's a warm, affectionate person.
• unable to think critically: they swallow(ed) Spare, the OW interview and the Netflix series whole and believed they were reading about /seeing reality. All this despite most of H & M's claims both in the interview and the book having been shown to be lies or at best, inexcusable errors.

Basically they hate the RF and M & H give them a stick to whack them with. Nothing else matters: the betrayal of H's family, the public character assassination of Catherine, KC and Camilla, the cutting off of Meghan's sick father for far less than this two have done to their families.

I do judge people who love H & M. I don't 'love' the RF - I just know they fulfil a constitutional role and they have a tougher time than people imagine in these social media-dominated time. Until we change our constitution, they're just doing the job we ask them to do - and in most cases, doing a good job. I don't need to like them personally.