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Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 4

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myladydisdainisyetliving · 02/07/2026 09:58

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5549122-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-3

TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

I will also note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

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myladydisdainisyetliving · 02/07/2026 09:58

Please fill up the previous thread first!

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Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2026 11:17

AL: We are beyond supplemental bundles

Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 4
MoistVonL · 02/07/2026 11:19

"I asked everyone in the Agrees With Me club if they agreed with me, and 167 said yes"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2026 11:19

Bundle Troubles

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2026 11:20

MoistVonL · 02/07/2026 11:19

"I asked everyone in the Agrees With Me club if they agreed with me, and 167 said yes"

Hahaha exactly

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 02/07/2026 11:20

Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2026 11:17

AL: We are beyond supplemental bundles

Do you do XXL, I've got massive whomps and I may need to breast, boobily everywhere.

Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2026 11:21

J let's take a break and find out, this is an illustration of how this case has been prepared, not making accusations, it's not appropriate for us to thrash around trying to find the correct bundle.

Judge has had enough I think.

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/07/2026 11:21

Bingo!

J - where is it?
AL you don't seem to have the correct bundle either,
J let's take a break and find out, this is an illustration of how this case has been prepared, not making accusations, it's not appropriate for us to thrash around trying to find the correct bundle.

janeszebra · 02/07/2026 11:21

Stop with the B word, please.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 02/07/2026 11:21

and the wheel of death on my computer. J let's break, it's a bit early, I will see we can find it, can someone give me any clues about when it was sent.
Let's take this break and see if we can find it.
J - gives usual instructions to witness. Morning break.
Back at 11:30 am

Cup o' tea time everybody!

MyAmpleSheep · 02/07/2026 11:21

MoistVonL · 02/07/2026 11:19

"I asked everyone in the Agrees With Me club if they agreed with me, and 167 said yes"

we have issued a BOLO for the others and they will be dealt with promptly and in the appropriate manner.

Signalbox · 02/07/2026 11:22

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BettyBooper · 02/07/2026 11:23

MoistVonL · 02/07/2026 11:19

"I asked everyone in the Agrees With Me club if they agreed with me, and 167 said yes"

Well, one said both 'no' and 'yes', but we included them in both columns, so all good! 😂

(*From explanatory note at bottom of survey results)

Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2026 11:24

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 02/07/2026 11:20

Do you do XXL, I've got massive whomps and I may need to breast, boobily everywhere.

Just buy a small and stick it in the wash. (I may have used dodgy tshirt material)

Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 4
janeszebra · 02/07/2026 11:24

I take back what I said about ED possibly not having an DSD. But I do suspect that she is the sort of person who has discovered that having one can be 'used' to her advantage.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/07/2026 11:25

MoistVonL · 02/07/2026 11:19

"I asked everyone in the Agrees With Me club if they agreed with me, and 167 said yes"

… which is a bit curious because we only have 112 members.

janeszebra · 02/07/2026 11:25

MyAmpleSheep · 02/07/2026 11:21

we have issued a BOLO for the others and they will be dealt with promptly and in the appropriate manner.

What's a 'BOLO'?

MyAmpleSheep · 02/07/2026 11:26

janeszebra · 02/07/2026 11:25

What's a 'BOLO'?

“Be on the lookout”

Hedgehogforshort · 02/07/2026 11:27

MyAmpleSheep · 02/07/2026 11:26

“Be on the lookout”

One learns sumink new every day.

WeareBeyondSupplementalBundles · 02/07/2026 11:30

Boiledbeetle · 02/07/2026 11:17

AL: We are beyond supplemental bundles

thank you for my t-shirt....

ThisMeansNothingToMe · 02/07/2026 11:30

I think ED said 'inclusive feminists ' not intersectional.

WomanInnaWoods · 02/07/2026 11:30
Angry Gary Oldman GIF

"ED I want them to not cause harm to me and my members and I want everyone to acknowledge that fact"

I just can't wrap my head around the concept of being so emotionally incontinent that you have to take everything as a challenge or personal attack.

Justabaker · 02/07/2026 11:30
donut GIF by Sidecar Doughnuts & Coffee

Coffee and chocolate, chocolate and coffee.....

Young Alex for the win in Round One.

CatProcrastinator1 · 02/07/2026 11:30

So am I, a taxpayer, funding AG which campaigns across government and the civil services at cabinet office level, to limit the protected speech of those who agree with me that sex is binary, immutable and important and are trying to stop women having single sex spaces and services?

It is outrageous.

Mmmnotsure · 02/07/2026 11:33

Re a comment in the last thread - Alex Line, the R barrister, is male. A man. Although obviously can't be sure, having not checked his chromosomes or asked him how he identifies.

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