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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LBQ+ women and girls included by UK Government in Violence against women strategy

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IwantToRetire · 28/06/2026 22:20

Quote:

... The report makes clear that lesbian, bisexual and queer women and girls, and trans and gender-diverse people face unique and disproportionate exclusion, discrimination and violence – often at the hands of those seeking to uphold gender stereotypes and norms.

... The UK is steadfast in its commitment to ending gender-based violence against women and girls in all their diversity, both at home and overseas.

... Our approach is underpinned by the UK’s International Strategic Framework on Women and Girls will guide our efforts to ensure that all women and all girls, in all their diversity, can realise their rights and potential.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/un-human-rights-council-62-uk-statement-for-the-interactive-dialogue-with-the-independent-expert-on-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity

UN Human Rights Council 62: UK Statement for the Interactive Dialogue with the Independent Expert on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity

UK Statement for the Interactive Dialogue with the Independent Expert on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity. Delivered at the 62nd Human Rights Council in Geneva.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/un-human-rights-council-62-uk-statement-for-the-interactive-dialogue-with-the-independent-expert-on-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity

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ErrolTheDragon · 29/06/2026 18:12

CrossPurposes · 29/06/2026 18:03

Asexual clothing choices? What?

One assumes they meant androgynous - afaik being asexual is completely unrelated to clothing.

Imdunfer · 29/06/2026 18:34

ErrolTheDragon · 29/06/2026 17:16

Well, not quite - you need an appropriate word to make a compact phrase. Same thing with ‘gender pay gap’ - unless anyone can think of a better way to express the differential remuneration of men and women due to sex discrimination (partially solved) and structural sexism (effects due to childbearing etc which are harder to deal with). ‘Gender’ was always absolutely appropriate before people started pretending it didn’t mean cultural norms, stereotypes and physical realities etc etc that were causally linked to sex.

The gender pay gap is different. It refers not to equal pay between men and women but to equal pay between the type of job normally done by women and the type of job normally done by men. It is the jobs that are gendered, the perks who do them are men and women. The fact that there are male care workers and female bricklayers did not remove the gender pay gap in those jobs.

IwantToRetire · 29/06/2026 20:22

I think any statement from a Government related organisation that uses the word "queer" as though it is a word universally understand and accepted as a "good thing", should raise alarms.

The author of the report, Graeme Reid, the UN Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity (IE SOGI) has made really critical comments about women's rights in relation to trans rights. (I am sure there was a thread about it at the time.)

" ... In May 2025, Graeme Reid and a group of UN human rights experts expressed serious concerns regarding a UK Supreme Court judgement that reinterpreted the definition of "woman" under the Equality Act.

Legal Uncertainty: The experts warned that the ruling introduces dangerous legal uncertainty regarding gender-affirming care, social transition, and basic civil rights.

Potential for Backsliding: Reid highlighted that narrowing statutory definitions could systematically roll back hard-won protections for transgender and gender-diverse individuals. ... "

The new report, that the UK Government has gushingly responded to includes warns the UK Government that:

Combating Hostile Rhetoric: The statement targeted a rise in hostile political rhetoric and targeted media campaigns in the UK.

Link to Hate Crimes: Reid warned that toxic public discourse directly correlates with an escalation of bias-motivated harassment and physical violence against LGBT individuals.

Policy Recommendations: The UN experts urged UK lawmakers to uphold international human rights standards and refrain from enacting regressive policies that exclude trans individuals from public spaces, healthcare, and legal recognition.

So the UK has welcomed a report that is saying that women's sex based rights being re-established through the legal system, is "regressive".

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ErrolTheDragon · 29/06/2026 23:29

Imdunfer · 29/06/2026 18:34

The gender pay gap is different. It refers not to equal pay between men and women but to equal pay between the type of job normally done by women and the type of job normally done by men. It is the jobs that are gendered, the perks who do them are men and women. The fact that there are male care workers and female bricklayers did not remove the gender pay gap in those jobs.

it’s not just that jobs are gendered, there’s also the impact of career breaks for maternity leave, and sexism still creating ‘glass ceilings’. The factors combine to make a differential between the sexes but we can’t call it the ‘sex pay gap’ - it’s that linguistic issue that the word gender in its old (and tbh in the real world still normal) meaning as a euphemism for biological sex was useful and I think still can be.

Imdunfer · 30/06/2026 08:03

ErrolTheDragon · 29/06/2026 23:29

it’s not just that jobs are gendered, there’s also the impact of career breaks for maternity leave, and sexism still creating ‘glass ceilings’. The factors combine to make a differential between the sexes but we can’t call it the ‘sex pay gap’ - it’s that linguistic issue that the word gender in its old (and tbh in the real world still normal) meaning as a euphemism for biological sex was useful and I think still can be.

It was indeed useful but its use has been very much degraded by the trans lobby. I'd suggest in the situations that your referring to that gender pay gap not only works for family responsibilities but is accurate too as it would affect a stay at home father the same way.. But the glass ceiling barrier would be more accurately described as sex-based.

Of course we have to use one then to cover it all but the discussion is interesting, to me at least.

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