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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS GP referring to “people with a uterus”

126 replies

LumenLights · 21/06/2026 14:30

My local GP surgery has been organising talks and events regarding endometriosis. They recently hosted an event which was open to sufferers and their friends and family - fair enough.

Most of the literature and social media posts from my surgery explicitly refer to women when talking about women, which is a relief.

However, I noticed they have posted a short video advertising an event in which a young male junior doctor proudly declares “endometriosis can affect anyone with a uterus” and doesn’t use the word “woman” or “female” at all. This has really pissed me off.

Is this still allowed? I thought we had left this nonsense behind. I want to complain but not sure the best way to do this, or if I have any right to in the first place.

I get the impression this young male doctor is very involved in the work they are doing around endometriosis, but I haven’t attended any of the events they have hosted so can’t comment on the language used in person.

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nocoolnamesleft · 22/06/2026 10:10

MissingLynks · 22/06/2026 00:37

You've invented a hypothetical person with language comprehension issues who conveniently only understands the word you want to use and not any other, how handy for you. I could be childish and counter with "well what about someone who doesn't speak English at all so doesn't know the word 'woman' but does know the Latin word 'uterus'"? It's easy to invent a hypothetical gotcha.

But the fact is someone whose language comprehension fails on either front is likely to need - and will hopefully receive - extra support throughout the entire process of engaging with medical care (someone who doesn't know the word 'uterus' probably also doesn't know 'endometriosis' for starters) so will be able to have any words they don't know explained to them.

Meanwhile, simply saying "women" continues to include people for whom the information is not relevant and exclude people for whom it is.

Stop being so fucking ableist.

WhereYouLeftIt · 22/06/2026 11:21

nocoolnamesleft · 22/06/2026 10:10

Stop being so fucking ableist.

posted in error

onlytherain · 22/06/2026 23:12

theilltemperedamateur · 21/06/2026 23:22

Well, yes, but trans people who still have a uterus are women, and, as pointed out by PP, women born without a uterus can also get endometriosis.

It's excessively technical language, as well as being imprecise, and it's more useful to patients to just say that this is a condition that almost exclusively affects women.

Of course, it's interesting that some men (fewer than two dozen reported) have developed it, and that's the sort of quirky factoid that could be included in an information video.

I'm not aware of any instances in men with DSDs such as chimericism or persistent Müllerian duct syndrome, so uterine tissue doesn't have to be present: the current leading hypothesis appears to involve proliferation of rogue embryological remnants under the action of inflammation or œstrogen. Fascinating stuff.

As far as I know, all men diagnosed with endo were on oestrogen therapy, so the endometriosis was a side effect of medication, not a spontaneously occurring disease.

Pistachiocake · 22/06/2026 23:33

Isitevensummer · 21/06/2026 15:04

Some Women may have had them removed?

Exactly, and can't this condition occur other places in your body too?
And men CAN have it-yes, it is very rare, but everyone has the right to treatment for a medical condition, just as a 20 year old who gets a condition that is nearly always a disease of old age should be treated.

Rednorth · 22/06/2026 23:38

MissingLynks · 22/06/2026 00:19

"People with a uterus" is not linguistic gymnastics, it's a short and comprehensible phrase, it's the only option which captures everyone relevant while not including anyone not relevant, and it can easily be explained to anyone who doesn't understand it.

You know what, this MIGHT be valid if they did the same with men's health but they dont.

I am so sick of fucking handmaidens

Chersfrozenface · 23/06/2026 06:26

onlytherain · 22/06/2026 23:12

As far as I know, all men diagnosed with endo were on oestrogen therapy, so the endometriosis was a side effect of medication, not a spontaneously occurring disease.

Correct - prolonged exposure to elevated oestrogen through prostate cancer treatments, cross sex hormones, obesity, or severe liver disease.

theilltemperedamateur · 23/06/2026 09:50

onlytherain · 22/06/2026 23:12

As far as I know, all men diagnosed with endo were on oestrogen therapy, so the endometriosis was a side effect of medication, not a spontaneously occurring disease.

The œstrogen still needs something to act on, possibly embryological remnants from the Müllerian ducts (in female embryos these go on to form the uterus etc, in males they regress under the action of AMH produced by the testes). It's hoped that this insight, if correct, will help with finding a treatment.

UnaOfStormhold · 01/07/2026 21:25

theilltemperedamateur · 23/06/2026 09:50

The œstrogen still needs something to act on, possibly embryological remnants from the Müllerian ducts (in female embryos these go on to form the uterus etc, in males they regress under the action of AMH produced by the testes). It's hoped that this insight, if correct, will help with finding a treatment.

It would be absolutely bloody typical if they find a cure for male endometriosis before female despite the overwhelming ratio of people suffering.

Mapletree1985 · 01/07/2026 23:41

Does a hysterectomy cure endometriosis?

WhereYouLeftIt · 02/07/2026 19:05

Mapletree1985 · 01/07/2026 23:41

Does a hysterectomy cure endometriosis?

Nope, explanation why not posted on 21/06/2026 15:23.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/07/2026 19:26

The publicity material I have see about prostate cancer manages to use the words ‘man’ and ‘male’.

AnonMumOfAutisticSon1 · 02/07/2026 19:37

MissingLynks · 22/06/2026 00:19

"People with a uterus" is not linguistic gymnastics, it's a short and comprehensible phrase, it's the only option which captures everyone relevant while not including anyone not relevant, and it can easily be explained to anyone who doesn't understand it.

No, it isn't. It is neither short nor comprehensible. A uterus is a body part that only women have. It's a shame that people who have transitioned their gender are upset by this fact but it remains a fact. The short and comprehensible word (not phrase) is women.

As pp have also said, it's also inaccurate as women without uteruses can sadly still suffer from endo.

ButlerianJihadNow · 02/07/2026 19:38

MissingLynks · 22/06/2026 00:37

You've invented a hypothetical person with language comprehension issues who conveniently only understands the word you want to use and not any other, how handy for you. I could be childish and counter with "well what about someone who doesn't speak English at all so doesn't know the word 'woman' but does know the Latin word 'uterus'"? It's easy to invent a hypothetical gotcha.

But the fact is someone whose language comprehension fails on either front is likely to need - and will hopefully receive - extra support throughout the entire process of engaging with medical care (someone who doesn't know the word 'uterus' probably also doesn't know 'endometriosis' for starters) so will be able to have any words they don't know explained to them.

Meanwhile, simply saying "women" continues to include people for whom the information is not relevant and exclude people for whom it is.

I bet most people on here could have a good stab at the German word for woman. Less so for uterus.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/07/2026 19:56

Rednorth · 22/06/2026 23:38

You know what, this MIGHT be valid if they did the same with men's health but they dont.

I am so sick of fucking handmaidens

THIS

I am sick of the people who accuse those of us who know that a woman is an AHF of reducing them to their body parts actually reduce us to our body parts in a way that men are not.

Theunchosenone · 02/07/2026 21:28

MissingLynks · 21/06/2026 23:54

Or why not just say "people with a uterus" since that includes everyone relevant?

But isn’t reducing people to body parts bad? I mean, TRA get upset when women say one must be of the nature to get pregnant to be a woman, as that’s not inclusive, so how is reducing people to “those with a uterus” good?

KilkennyCats · 02/07/2026 21:33

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/07/2026 19:26

The publicity material I have see about prostate cancer manages to use the words ‘man’ and ‘male’.

Exactly. No “people with prostates” bollocks when it comes to men’s bodies.

Coatsoff42 · 03/07/2026 14:33

There’s very rarely any outrage about the use of men, rather than people with prostates.
Is that because
A) trans men are never going to confuse themselves with prostate-havers;
B) men are so incredibly stupid they can’t cope with the convoluted secret language we use to refer to women,
or C) trans women don’t want to be reminded they are still in a category with men and aren’t keen to be associated with prostates in any way.

Why is there so much push back on the language of ‘woman’ but none on the language of ‘man’? There’s very little chat about ‘not everyone with a prostate is a man’.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 03/07/2026 14:41

LumenLights · 21/06/2026 14:30

My local GP surgery has been organising talks and events regarding endometriosis. They recently hosted an event which was open to sufferers and their friends and family - fair enough.

Most of the literature and social media posts from my surgery explicitly refer to women when talking about women, which is a relief.

However, I noticed they have posted a short video advertising an event in which a young male junior doctor proudly declares “endometriosis can affect anyone with a uterus” and doesn’t use the word “woman” or “female” at all. This has really pissed me off.

Is this still allowed? I thought we had left this nonsense behind. I want to complain but not sure the best way to do this, or if I have any right to in the first place.

I get the impression this young male doctor is very involved in the work they are doing around endometriosis, but I haven’t attended any of the events they have hosted so can’t comment on the language used in person.

That's great. Not every woman has a uterus, and inclusive language is a signal to trans guys/nb people that they can trust the practice.

A lot of trans men don't access the healthcare they need because of fear. Especially when it's intimate care. They are wary of being humiliated and even assaulted. Anything that makes someone feel safe to access endo care is a good thing.

icingonmycupcake · 03/07/2026 14:43

MissingLynks · 21/06/2026 16:49

What on earth do you mean, "Is this still allowed?" No, we haven't become a thought dictatorship in which people aren't allowed to choose their own words. "People with a uterus" is perfectly accurate - more so than just saying "women" as not all women have a uterus. Unless you object to the concept of women being people?

'People with a uterus' and 'endometriosis can affect anyone with a uterus' sounds like they could relate to a man or a woman.

He's a physician. He should be specific. There will be women and girls who don't know what a uterus is.

KilkennyCats · 03/07/2026 14:46

If a woman has had her uterus removed, she’ll surely be aware of this and understand that the notice doesn’t apply to her?
How dumb do you think women actually are?
Do you get many trans men showing up for a prostate exam instead of a smear test?

Xanadu78 · 03/07/2026 14:48

A lot of women with endo may have had a full hysterectomy and it doesn’t mean it endo is any less of a shitty disease! You can get it in your lunge and at the back of your eyes!

I have stage 4 and have been told to avoid a hysterectomy as it would just grow elsewhere

CateyeKate · 03/07/2026 14:55

I know that I am missing the point a bit here but this doctor needs to re-educate himself on the subject of endo. It has nothing to do with having or not having a uterus, endo tissue is similar but not identical to the endometrial tissues and there have even been rare cases of male endo. Losing your uterus does not rid you of the condition.

I wish doctors would hurry up and fully educate themselves on this disease, I know it's boring for them with it being predominately a female condition and all that but if they knew what they were talking about then maybe it wouldn't take women like myself 40 years to go diagnosed after suffer for decades.

I am due a hysterectomy soon for adenomyosis. I also have deep endometriosis so by all accounts I should be free of the disease once my uterus has shrivelled up and died....if only!

Theunchosenone · 03/07/2026 15:09

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 03/07/2026 14:41

That's great. Not every woman has a uterus, and inclusive language is a signal to trans guys/nb people that they can trust the practice.

A lot of trans men don't access the healthcare they need because of fear. Especially when it's intimate care. They are wary of being humiliated and even assaulted. Anything that makes someone feel safe to access endo care is a good thing.

But I thought reducing people to bodily functions and body parts was transphobic? I mean, if I call males with a trans identity “penis havers” you’d be fine with that then? If not, why not?

ByTheRiverside · 03/07/2026 15:17

I don't understand this, honestly.

"People with a uterus" still includes all females who have a uterus, excludes all females who do not have a uterus, and naturally excludes all males who cannot possibly have a uterus.

Females who think they're males are still wrong. Just because this wording spares breaking their delusion doesn't mean that we should stop calling women "people" in all circumstances.

We aren't going to win the war against gender ideology by playing the same identity politics they do.

Theunchosenone · 03/07/2026 15:22

ByTheRiverside · 03/07/2026 15:17

I don't understand this, honestly.

"People with a uterus" still includes all females who have a uterus, excludes all females who do not have a uterus, and naturally excludes all males who cannot possibly have a uterus.

Females who think they're males are still wrong. Just because this wording spares breaking their delusion doesn't mean that we should stop calling women "people" in all circumstances.

We aren't going to win the war against gender ideology by playing the same identity politics they do.

I’m ok with “people with a uterus as long as we refer to males as “people with a penis” or sperm carriers”. Theta with include all makes with a trans identity also. So yeah. They are now not are, they just join the other penis havers in the toilets for penis havers. Sorted.