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Be Kind 2.0 and the "Persuasive TRA"

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 01/06/2026 12:00

This is a spinoff from another thread so as not to derail the original.

I thought it would be helpful to have a separate thread to discuss, and document, a phenomenon I have been seeing more regularly recently: the Persuasive TRA.

It occurred to me, after a few posters noted that the recent U-turns by a couple of politicians, and the wheedling TRA responses to the EHRC guidance, were akin to an abuser changing tactics and also asking us to "help" them in the new single-sex regime, that the whole thing is starting to pan out exactly as an abusive relationship often does. When is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship? Normally, when she is leaving.

Well, women are leaving the abusive relationship with non-reality that men forced upon us some 15 years ago, and I would argue that now might be our most dangerous/difficult moment.

This is what I posted on the other thread:

I'm starting to see a bit more of what I am calling (in my own head) "Persuasive TRA." Now that they have lost everything that they bullied women for, some activists seem to be changing tack. Women must now fix the situation that TRAs have found themselves in. It seems to pivot on a sort of Be Kind 2.0.

I think women who have been in the game long enough will see through it, but we should be watchful. Stonewall is pivoting, activists are pivoting, and they will be preying on women's socialized kindness: watch for the destination and be on your guard.

I have read several posters on different threads appealing to everyone (women) to help calm trans-identified people's (men's) fears about what this new reality will look like, what it will mean for them (the men) now that they can't just do whatever they want anymore. What about the men's toilets? Are they safe? Where will they go? (Who will fix this problem?)

Well, apparently it is a problem that women can fix, if they just take a moment to think about it. Trans-identified men will be unsafe in the men's, so women need to join the fight to give these men something of their own.

Notice the pivot? The pleading? If you just... If you weren't so.... It can be different if you just... Sound familiar? To any woman who is in, or has escaped from, an abusive relationship, this will be all too familiar.

This is Be Kind 2.0. It's very similar to the original, except that instead of being forced to enjoy our abuse, we are being asked to fix it. And the "Persuasive TRAs" seem to be mobilizing, from what I have seen.

It won't start in the middle (with the women); it will start at the top (infiltrating government, think tanks, charities, etc.) and the bottom (schools). But they will use women to get this moving. Why not? It worked so well last time. And I believe that organizations like Stonewall will be leading the charge: the campaign can be something like Safe Spaces for Trans+ : All of Us Together.

If anyone else has seen this in action, it might be useful to keep a record of it here.

I imagine this thread will eventually be taken over by activists, but, until then, I would be interested in your thoughts.

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moto748e · 03/07/2026 18:07

I had RJ in mind, of course.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 03/07/2026 18:13

moto748e · 03/07/2026 18:07

I had RJ in mind, of course.

Any excuse for a re-watch!

Seriestwo · 04/07/2026 08:57

tue one word they can’t hear is “no”.

Maybe it’s a neurological issue. They. And hear it, at least, not if it comes from a woman

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 06/07/2026 08:29

with thanks to @Helleofabore

from the "Arm the Dolls" thread:

Page 9 | 'Arm the Dolls' | Mumsnet

"authentic acceptance"

Apparently, that intimidation has not created a situation where girls and women will comply and not show any visual discomfort.

Meaning that apparently, every single interaction with female people that a male person with a transgender identity has, is supposedly authentic acceptance....

...this is part of the harm of this false framing of language compliance as being ‘respectful’.

"it's respect, not compliance"

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · Today 12:10

@FarmersBlonde I hope you don't mind, I picked up on something you were saying early during the Tempest tribunal this morning, and thought I'd add it in here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5551959-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-7?page=9

It’s probably going to be the next way they’ll try and diminish our experiences.

[Let's call this "wearing our symptoms" (à la Igmum's "wearing our arguments") - the obvious one being menopausal symptoms. Not an entirely new tactic, but one that perhaps we should look out for more, now that other avenues of "performance" are being closed down to trans-identified men. ]

Thanks to FarmersBlonde for this one!

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