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Men are pushing women over in the street - as a trend

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IwantToRetire · 12/08/2025 16:56

Experts fear that new types of misogyny and harassment – including spitting and pushing women over – are taking hold in the UK as they move offline

This type of targeted shoulder barging has a name: butsukari otoko. The term, which originated on the streets of Japan in 2018, describes a type of violence against women that is done in a crowded public space, most commonly train stations.

It could at first appear accidental, but it is actually intentional; it is gendered (men doing it to women), and done for misogynistic reasons.

Researchers fear it is gaining traction in the UK, spreading from online videos to real-life encounters. “It’s come out of a subculture that existed years ago in Japan,” says Megan Hughes, a researcher at the Alan Turing Institute’s Centre for Emerging Technology and Security, which tracks online extremism. “It is something that’s been around for a long time, and people are now recognising it and are speaking out, but it’s a really difficult thing to track.

“They are sometimes subtle collisions, which are designed to appear accidental. They’re making victims second-guess intent or motive, and that then makes it really difficult for people wanting to report a crime. So it’s really hard for us to monitor.”

Street harassment isn’t new, but many believe it’s getting worse. A poll by Zencity, which surveyed 1600 women, found that 69 per cent said they had first or secondhand experience of women being ill-treated within the last 12 months; 75 per cent of women surveyed said violence and harassment was a serious problem and asked whether it had got worse in the last five years – 42 per cent agreed, and 30 per cent thought it was the same.

Article continues at https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/men-pushing-over-women-street-trend-3845874?srsltid=AfmBOoq29csw2CYnH2QwNMgW8lX9zoYcwXTwbx8cTQP2Fr1LzvR33aT5

And https://archive.is/GMI7T

Men are pushing over women in the street as a trend – it happened to me

Experts fear that new types of misogyny and harassment – including spitting and pushing women over – are taking hold in the UK as they move offline

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/men-pushing-over-women-street-trend-3845874?srsltid=AfmBOoq29csw2CYnH2QwNMgW8lX9zoYcwXTwbx8cTQP2Fr1LzvR33aT5

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mrshoho · 18/06/2026 09:04

I wouldn't comment on this post for obvious reasons and have reported asking for it to be removed.

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/06/2026 09:07

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Interesting, and the details of the case, in terms of his age and royal - military connections do add up. Also, if viewed profile he could certainly be the bridge pusher.

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/06/2026 09:34

mrshoho · 18/06/2026 09:04

I wouldn't comment on this post for obvious reasons and have reported asking for it to be removed.

A post mentioning a guy who has been prosecuted for knocking over a female cyclist on a thread about men pushing women over in the street?

mrshoho · 18/06/2026 09:41

You've linked his name and photograph and intimated he could be the suspect in this case. It could have serious implications to future legal proceedings.

mrshoho · 18/06/2026 09:45

I may this wrong though, as Ive reported it but MN have not removed. If they are happy with it then just ignore me!

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/06/2026 09:47

mrshoho · 18/06/2026 09:41

You've linked his name and photograph and intimated he could be the suspect in this case. It could have serious implications to future legal proceedings.

I doubt there will be any implications for future proceedings. If it's someone else then mentioning this person will be of no relevance. If it is the same person, then this previous prosecution is already publicly known and was reported on in the newspapers at the time. I came across the name online anyway and it's all a matter of public record. I'm also not accusing anyone. I simply said some people think it could be that guy (because the personal and professional details match). If it isn't him, then this guy is still on public record as having been prosecuted for driving into a female cyclist, so he's still relevant to this thread.

CowTown · 18/06/2026 09:50

Of course it’s not the same person. There are thousands of people in London of the same description who are 44.

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2026 18:02

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/06/2026 09:47

I doubt there will be any implications for future proceedings. If it's someone else then mentioning this person will be of no relevance. If it is the same person, then this previous prosecution is already publicly known and was reported on in the newspapers at the time. I came across the name online anyway and it's all a matter of public record. I'm also not accusing anyone. I simply said some people think it could be that guy (because the personal and professional details match). If it isn't him, then this guy is still on public record as having been prosecuted for driving into a female cyclist, so he's still relevant to this thread.

Your missing the point.

It is standard practice not to name anyone until officially charged. As it is one man at the time won lots of money for being wrongly named.

This is why newspapers dont do it.

And why responsible web sites dont do it.

And that' why you shouldn't do it on MN.

Hardly fair to land them with a huge bill for compensating someone whose name came up of a dodgy online forum.

Maybe something that Reddit etc., allow but not something that is fair to do to MN.

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BunnyBunbunbun · 18/06/2026 19:25

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2026 18:02

Your missing the point.

It is standard practice not to name anyone until officially charged. As it is one man at the time won lots of money for being wrongly named.

This is why newspapers dont do it.

And why responsible web sites dont do it.

And that' why you shouldn't do it on MN.

Hardly fair to land them with a huge bill for compensating someone whose name came up of a dodgy online forum.

Maybe something that Reddit etc., allow but not something that is fair to do to MN.

I didn't name anyone. I posted a link to an article about a man with a previous prosecution for knocking women over in the street. Apparently we're not allowed to mention that man on a thread about men knocking women over in the street.

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2026 20:07

BunnyBunbunbun · 18/06/2026 19:25

I didn't name anyone. I posted a link to an article about a man with a previous prosecution for knocking women over in the street. Apparently we're not allowed to mention that man on a thread about men knocking women over in the street.

Sorry I somehow thought it was about a man who has, is being named on other platforms.

Although if the article mentions the name of the man that could be seen to be a problem.

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WearyAuldWumman · 18/06/2026 20:20

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2026 18:05

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/feb/20/theres-an-epidemic-of-men-pushing-women-and-it-needs-to-stop

I have to say that more recently I have found male cyclists on pavements delight in being able to make you feel unsafe and unsure how to avoid them, as they certainly aren't going to give way.

Angry

The problem round here is teenagers in balaclavas riding off-road motorbikes on pavements and roads.

A few months back, I had to jump out of the way of a teenage boy on a motorbike while I was cutting my front hedge.

While I was cutting the side boundary hedge the other day, two boys on motorbikes came riding down the path I was walking down (having finished the cutting). They obviously expected me to stand aside. Foolishly, probably, I just slowed down and held onto my hedge cutter. They did actually slow down to the extent that I think they had to straddle their bikes.

However, we've recently had this happen in one of the nearby villages. What the article doesn't say is that the 17 yr old rider tried to get away and was only arrested because a male passerby sat on him.

https://www.centralfifetimes.com/news/26138573.youth-charged-94-year-old-hit-motorbike-lochore/

Youth charged after 94-year-old hit by motorbike in Lochore

A young man has been charged after an elderly woman was hit by a motorbike in Lochore

https://www.centralfifetimes.com/news/26138573.youth-charged-94-year-old-hit-motorbike-lochore/

moto748e · 18/06/2026 23:16

There's loads of that round my way. Just walking home from the pub tonight, a lad went flying past me,must have doing at least 40 in a 20, no lights, no helmet, no stopping at red lights...

IwantToRetire · 19/06/2026 01:08

WearyAuldWumman · 18/06/2026 20:20

The problem round here is teenagers in balaclavas riding off-road motorbikes on pavements and roads.

A few months back, I had to jump out of the way of a teenage boy on a motorbike while I was cutting my front hedge.

While I was cutting the side boundary hedge the other day, two boys on motorbikes came riding down the path I was walking down (having finished the cutting). They obviously expected me to stand aside. Foolishly, probably, I just slowed down and held onto my hedge cutter. They did actually slow down to the extent that I think they had to straddle their bikes.

However, we've recently had this happen in one of the nearby villages. What the article doesn't say is that the 17 yr old rider tried to get away and was only arrested because a male passerby sat on him.

https://www.centralfifetimes.com/news/26138573.youth-charged-94-year-old-hit-motorbike-lochore/

I hope the woman is okay. Was there a later news report saying if she had been treated effectively. Hate to think that an incident like this might mean she will never feel able to go out again.

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IwantToRetire · 19/06/2026 01:12

moto748e · 18/06/2026 23:16

There's loads of that round my way. Just walking home from the pub tonight, a lad went flying past me,must have doing at least 40 in a 20, no lights, no helmet, no stopping at red lights...

Although I am not excusing them, it seems almost inevitable that "lads" go about leading a life that just not have any awareness of others. And all too often the dangers they put themselves in ends up endangering others.

But when it is a more "mature" man (assuming men ever mature and cease being selfish teenagers) deliberating walking into women, refusing to stand aside, there is something much more conscious about that action.

But I suppose is just a continuation of the earlier teenage actions.

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moto748e · 19/06/2026 01:26

Teenage boys do dickish things, I know I did. Fortunately, I never took to motorbikes until I was 25, probably a good thing. But if they have no-one to tell them that that's not OK, it's stupid. It's the risk of serious injury to yourself or someone else, and maybe a criminal conviction to boot. While back, one nearly ran me over, riding the wrong way down a one-way street, again with no lights.

WearyAuldWumman · 19/06/2026 02:12

IwantToRetire · 19/06/2026 01:08

I hope the woman is okay. Was there a later news report saying if she had been treated effectively. Hate to think that an incident like this might mean she will never feel able to go out again.

Sad Angry

She's 94 and in a very bad way with multiple fractures - was transferred from the local hospital to Edinburgh.

A relative on social media said that the doctor who first saw her said that it would be difficult for a young person to come back from those injuries. She was completely compos mentis in spite of all that - when asked what day it was: "Pension day."

moto748e · 19/06/2026 02:38

Just awful.

BeMoreBear · 19/06/2026 08:13

I live in a city and do a lot of walking. I've always noticed that men, especially in small groups, always seem to want to walk on the outer edge of pavements, which squeezes everybody else (women) into a smaller space between the pavement and a wall/house, whatever. So I've always made a point of deliberately walking on the outer edge of the pavement to pass them, forcing the men to the inside. I don't like the feeling of being 'squeezed' just because I'm smaller than them. It's always a surprise to them, to have to shift to the inside.

However, now that this 'pushing women over and into the road' trend has been happening, I have started walking on the inside, just in case a man decides to push me, so I don't end up in the road. I hate that I have changed my way of walking, but I suppose that's the point of it, isn't it? Make women change. Make women move over. Make women budge up. Hate it.

TreesAtSea · 19/06/2026 09:38

But when it is a more "mature" man (assuming men ever mature and cease being selfish teenagers) deliberating walking into women, refusing to stand aside, there is something much more conscious about that action.

Agree. None of this behaviour is excusable, but there is something a lot more sinister about the deliberate action of a man targeting a lone woman in the ways we've all described.

lcakethereforeIam · 19/06/2026 10:21

BeMoreBear · 19/06/2026 08:13

I live in a city and do a lot of walking. I've always noticed that men, especially in small groups, always seem to want to walk on the outer edge of pavements, which squeezes everybody else (women) into a smaller space between the pavement and a wall/house, whatever. So I've always made a point of deliberately walking on the outer edge of the pavement to pass them, forcing the men to the inside. I don't like the feeling of being 'squeezed' just because I'm smaller than them. It's always a surprise to them, to have to shift to the inside.

However, now that this 'pushing women over and into the road' trend has been happening, I have started walking on the inside, just in case a man decides to push me, so I don't end up in the road. I hate that I have changed my way of walking, but I suppose that's the point of it, isn't it? Make women change. Make women move over. Make women budge up. Hate it.

On narrow suburban pavements especially, the inside, by the hedge is where all the dog shit is. That's certainly why I don't like walking on the bit of the path. Or people don't cut their hedges back and you're forced into the road anyway.

The Guardian letters, linked upthread, I read them (including the 'men get assaulted too' ones) and the article that prompted them. The incidents described are appalling. I've never been pushed or jostled in that fashion but I doubt I walk in a straight line very often on a pavement. Making way for other people, men or women, is so ingrained in me I think I'd really have to really concentrate to not do it. It's typical of the Guardian not to see the parallels between women expected, however unfairly, to make way for men (and be punished if they don't) and the trans wants that it usually champions.

IwantToRetire · 19/06/2026 18:38

WearyAuldWumman · 19/06/2026 02:12

She's 94 and in a very bad way with multiple fractures - was transferred from the local hospital to Edinburgh.

A relative on social media said that the doctor who first saw her said that it would be difficult for a young person to come back from those injuries. She was completely compos mentis in spite of all that - when asked what day it was: "Pension day."

This is just terrible. I do hope she is getting better even if slowly.

Have no idea what her live has been, but can you imagine getting to 94, and some idiot boy has possibly made her imobile.

I hope she has family and friends to support her.

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Fgfgfg · 20/06/2026 11:27

WearyAuldWumman · 18/06/2026 20:20

The problem round here is teenagers in balaclavas riding off-road motorbikes on pavements and roads.

A few months back, I had to jump out of the way of a teenage boy on a motorbike while I was cutting my front hedge.

While I was cutting the side boundary hedge the other day, two boys on motorbikes came riding down the path I was walking down (having finished the cutting). They obviously expected me to stand aside. Foolishly, probably, I just slowed down and held onto my hedge cutter. They did actually slow down to the extent that I think they had to straddle their bikes.

However, we've recently had this happen in one of the nearby villages. What the article doesn't say is that the 17 yr old rider tried to get away and was only arrested because a male passerby sat on him.

https://www.centralfifetimes.com/news/26138573.youth-charged-94-year-old-hit-motorbike-lochore/

Maybe they slowed down because you were wielding a hedge cutter 😀

WearyAuldWumman · 20/06/2026 16:26

Fgfgfg · 20/06/2026 11:27

Maybe they slowed down because you were wielding a hedge cutter 😀

I think that that might have had an impact...

Before anyone calls the police, I'll stress that it wasn't switched on by then, and I was only holding it in one hand... Mind you, I was getting ready to stretch out an arm to balance/save myself if necessary.

IwantToRetire · 20/06/2026 18:54

Have just seen this come up on a news feed and suspect those who dont have well known relatives just dont get their story told:

" ... had a "long and emotional night" in A&E after his daughter Lilla, 26, was hit by an e-bike in the Peckham area of London.

"Hopefully there is CCTV. Once he saw the ambulance arrive (2mins) and the crowd gathering – he scarpered. Her sisters were with her. She is badly injured but now at home. It could have been so much worse. We are incredibly lucky."

Despite the good news, Campbell said the experience in A&E was made harder by an incident in which a drunken man entered the room Lilla was resting in and exposed himself. ... "

Nicky Campbell’s daughter ‘badly injured’ in hit-and-run incident - Yahoo News UK

For the sixth or seventh time this week am just thinking more and more men shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised.

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