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Pedants' corner

‘He want aloud’

30 replies

ProfessorofDarkArts · Yesterday 23:31

On a FB thread about schools and rules during the heat. Honestly I give up 🤦🏻‍♀️

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ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · Yesterday 23:51

“Stepping foot” seen repeatedly on the BBC website.

ChristmasStars · Today 08:23

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · Yesterday 23:51

“Stepping foot” seen repeatedly on the BBC website.

What do they mean?

sorrynotathome · Today 08:24

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · Yesterday 23:51

“Stepping foot” seen repeatedly on the BBC website.

Yes, it no longer surprises/shocks me when I see glaring errors on the BBC. Shame.

DappledThings · Today 08:26

ChristmasStars · Today 08:23

What do they mean?

Setting foot

ChristmasStars · Today 08:26

DappledThings · Today 08:26

Setting foot

Wow.

maudelovesharold · Today 08:39

ProfessorofDarkArts · Yesterday 23:31

On a FB thread about schools and rules during the heat. Honestly I give up 🤦🏻‍♀️

I’m convinced this all stems from people not reading and among other things, not becoming familiar with homophones in context. ‘He want aloud’ sounds exactly like the way many would say ‘he wasn’t allowed’. I suppose.

BrickBiscuit · Today 08:42

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · Yesterday 23:51

“Stepping foot” seen repeatedly on the BBC website.

I always find this one disproportionately grating. Makes you want to comment to the garden, Maud.

Daradillington · Today 08:51

I think we should remember that we are lucky if we are able to write fluently and accurately.
Lots of people either didn’t have the same educational advantages, or struggle with conditions such as dyslexia, or both.

Yes, I know this is Pedants’ Corner.
It wasn’t set up to complain about members of the public imho.
Organisations like the BBC I hold to a much higher standard.

Dollymylove · Today 08:58

Thats now the standard of education in schools unfortunately

Alltheprettyseahorses · Today 09:05

That's a weird misspelling and makes me think it might be voice-to-text

HoldMyWine · Today 09:08

Daradillington · Today 08:51

I think we should remember that we are lucky if we are able to write fluently and accurately.
Lots of people either didn’t have the same educational advantages, or struggle with conditions such as dyslexia, or both.

Yes, I know this is Pedants’ Corner.
It wasn’t set up to complain about members of the public imho.
Organisations like the BBC I hold to a much higher standard.

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Who put you in charge?

BrickBiscuit · Today 09:11

Dollymylove · Today 08:58

Thats now the standard of education in schools unfortunately

... and in the home. DC and spouse have hardly any books in their house of their own any longer. However their toddlers have dozens, and read and are read to multiple times every day. They will grow up knowing 'allowed' from 'aloud' and 'set' from 'step'. People with, for example, dyslexia or, like me, cognitive impairments can still learn to remember to look things up when uncertain.

TheScreensNurseTheScreens · Today 09:51

I was confused, for longer than I should have been, over Lamons, in an otherwise literate Facebook post, yesterday. Layman’s, of course! Which I found surprising, because if you know a rather unusual, not oft used, word and where to use it, I’d have thought basic curiosity would lead you to check the correct spelling.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud · Today 10:02

Yes, I hold the BBC to a higher standard, because I assume everyone posting on the site has trained as a journalist. Nevertheless, we now seem to have reached the point where stepping and setting foot have merged to become the very irritating stepping foot and I suspect there’s no way (or step) back.

TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease · Today 10:05

I’m convinced this decline in written English stems from lack of reading, and the dominance of TikTok, YouTube and the like. If the vast majority of what one learns is from what is heard rather than read, then correct spelling and grammar just won’t be visible, won’t embed, and many of the things we discuss here regularly will occur widely. Should have/should of; been for being; carnt for can’t; want for wasn’t; and the endless others.

It’s very old fashioned of me, but to a degree I also blame reading being taught through phonics. Spelling out the sounds you hear (or think you hear) phonically is the other side of teaching to read by sounding out. Unfortunately, if you aren’t hearing RP, there’s every chance that the sounds you write won’t be anywhere close to the correct spelling.

istherereallytimeforallthat · Today 10:06

maudelovesharold · Today 08:39

I’m convinced this all stems from people not reading and among other things, not becoming familiar with homophones in context. ‘He want aloud’ sounds exactly like the way many would say ‘he wasn’t allowed’. I suppose.

Sounds like regional Essex dialect with a dash of Naw Flundon to me.

Mischance · Today 10:10

Two things:
I think spellchecker is responsible for some of these online/email etc. gaffes.

I tend to not get heated about these errors and just be thankful that I was lucky enough to have the sort of education that helps me to get grammar and spelling mostly right. I tend to think that as long as the meaning has been communicated then I should let it wash by me.

TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease · Today 10:27

Mischance · Today 10:10

Two things:
I think spellchecker is responsible for some of these online/email etc. gaffes.

I tend to not get heated about these errors and just be thankful that I was lucky enough to have the sort of education that helps me to get grammar and spelling mostly right. I tend to think that as long as the meaning has been communicated then I should let it wash by me.

But we are at the point where meaning IS being obscured. ‘He want aloud’ is not readily understandable.

I’ve just seen the one below in the wild. With no context, what do you think it means?

‘He want aloud’
LondonKara · Today 10:29

HoldMyWine · Today 09:08

Who put you in charge?

What a rude response to a thoughtful post.

Ooofbananas · Today 10:34

We’re living through a period of transition. SM introduced a new firm of written language. When I was growing up there was a clear distinction between the spoken word and the written word which was more formal and correct. You didn’t write a contraction like “can’t” except as dialogue.

On SM the established norm is to write as language is spoken, in a highly informal way without too many punctuation marks. And for many people this is now the only reading they do.

The invention of the printing press, led to standardisation of spelling and to gate keeping of written media by publishers. I grew up at a time when any printed material I encountered had been looked over, at some point, by an editor. Now I can read whole books that have been self published.

Language is changing at speed now, and it seems even faster because growth was artificially slowed by the stranglehold of publishing conventions. I’m fascinated by the Gen Alpha’s who are quietly developing words and phrases that only make sense to themselves. The devolution of phrases and words bothers me because I imagine everyone just grunting in a generation or two, but we know language is innate and that can’t actually happen.

Some of the great poets and authors like Gerard Manley Hopkins and J D Salinger were challenging the conventions in ways that would barely register today. Terrible to think that books could be a historical curiosity in a couple of generations.

In the meantime I’m off to hug my dictionary of etymology. I wonder if there’s an updated version due that will reference changes across 4chan, Facebook etc .

HookLineandStinker · Today 10:48

TeaWithASplashOfMilkPlease · Today 10:27

But we are at the point where meaning IS being obscured. ‘He want aloud’ is not readily understandable.

I’ve just seen the one below in the wild. With no context, what do you think it means?

Never mind? Perhaps along the same lines as slither instead of sliver, because the f for th thing is so common nowadays the person thinks they are correcting a wrong.

RaraRachael · Today 11:13

My dad left school at 14 in the 1930s with no formal qualifications. I can't remember him ever using incorrect spelling or grammar.

I've worked with teachers - some with honours degrees who haven't a clue.

maudelovesharold · Today 11:49

RaraRachael · Today 11:13

My dad left school at 14 in the 1930s with no formal qualifications. I can't remember him ever using incorrect spelling or grammar.

I've worked with teachers - some with honours degrees who haven't a clue.

The same as my Dad - well, 13, in the 1920s, for him. No qualifications - worked (bloody hard) on building sites all his life. From a really poor family, but so articulate and a great letter writer with almost copperplate handwriting, just like his 3 sisters. The thing is, he was a voracious reader, as was my Mum (he called her an intellectual because she left school at 16 with her School Certificate!), and I grew up surrounded by books and a love of language. No TV till I was 13, because we couldn’t afford it! I feel so sad that reading is no longer a ‘go to’ activity for so many people.

CustardySergeant · Today 14:58

I heard a so-called expert on Radio 4 earlier referring to "nucular" power! Good grief.

Mischance · Today 15:03

I guessed what "He want aloud" meant with no trouble.
Some "mistakes" will be easier to decipher than others.
Language develops. There are lots of things that grate on me ... e.g. nouns used as verbs ... "He gifted me a car." But I would not dream of saying so. And as for "He was stood/sat"!! ...
But if I get what is meant then that's fine by me.

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