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Oh no BBC, not you as well

36 replies

OutOfApricots · 05/07/2026 09:52

There's an article about the Royal family on the BBC website, and in that article is the sentence:

'Competitive sister-in-laws.'

Oh dear me.

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FabiaQuintilla · 05/07/2026 10:33

Hoodle · 05/07/2026 10:31

I tend to agree. But it’s as much about accepted usage as anything.

Yes! Lord-lieutenant has just scrambled my brain. I haven’t heard or read it enough to have a feel for it.

TheScreensNurseTheScreens · 05/07/2026 10:37

Kingdomofsleep · 05/07/2026 10:03

I disagree - otherwise "in-laws" wouldn't be a thing. "I love my in-laws."

Sometimes usage is the rule.

But that’s because you have removed the primary noun. The noun gets the pluralisation. Once you have removed it you have, in effect, forced the modifier to become the noun. Hence the pluralisation.

OutOfApricots · 05/07/2026 10:48

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/07/2026 10:32

That's because the important part is the job/noun - Lieutenant - not the person they are doing it for (the Monarch). For sisters-in-law, the important part is the relationship - sisters - which is then modified to clarify that it's through marriage.

I would suggest that perhaps the title Lord is considerably more important than that of Lieutenant, and that they would be described as Lords anyway, so it should really be written as Lords Liutenant.

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6ate9 · 05/07/2026 10:53

OutOfApricots · 05/07/2026 10:48

I would suggest that perhaps the title Lord is considerably more important than that of Lieutenant, and that they would be described as Lords anyway, so it should really be written as Lords Liutenant.

Historically they were referred to simply as Lieutenant. Their official title was changed in the early years of Queen Elizabeth II's reign to better reflect the dignity and prestige of the modern civilian appointment.

OutOfApricots · 05/07/2026 11:05

6ate9 · 05/07/2026 10:53

Historically they were referred to simply as Lieutenant. Their official title was changed in the early years of Queen Elizabeth II's reign to better reflect the dignity and prestige of the modern civilian appointment.

Ah - I didn't know that. Thanks.

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RosalieRosa · 05/07/2026 11:06

They lost me when they started saying "we were sat there". I hate it

6ate9 · 05/07/2026 11:30

OutOfApricots · 05/07/2026 11:05

Ah - I didn't know that. Thanks.

There are a lot of historical quirks. It can be so confusing!!

3beesinmybonnet · 05/07/2026 11:32

My own English is far from perfect so I don't think I've ever dared to post in Pedant's Corner before.

However it's just occurred to me that my habit of checking the BBC News website every morning, and being exposed to their constant SPAG errors, is probably responsible for my high blood pressure.

Kingdomofsleep · 05/07/2026 13:18

TheScreensNurseTheScreens · 05/07/2026 10:37

But that’s because you have removed the primary noun. The noun gets the pluralisation. Once you have removed it you have, in effect, forced the modifier to become the noun. Hence the pluralisation.

I think you're nearly there. The point is that, in everyday speech, the modifier has become part of the noun (because your mother-in-law is very much not your mother). The hyphens contribute to this.

This is an example of everyday speech having different grammatical rules to essay-writing. Modern media use everyday speech rules to be more readable to a wider audience.

See for example "runner-ups". There are many more examples

MrsKeats · 05/07/2026 13:46

They always say ‘the government are’ 🙄

OutOfApricots · 05/07/2026 16:23

Whenever I'm in any doubt about such matters, I ask myself: "What would Stephen Fry say?"😂

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